Religion and LGBT people

[Gabriel Syme]

How much do you actually know about homosexual sex? Not vicious stereotypes, but actual homosexual sex, performed by real homosexuals. I doubt you have any real experience with it, which is why it's so great that you feel justified in making blanket statements about it.

Hi Esquilax,

I will answer the bits where you have posed a coherent and worthwhile question, below:

I have not used any "vicious stereotypes" to support my arguments.

I have used only facts, medical data and expert opinion (anything else would be irrelevant) and have supported these statements with references.

I know that it is true that homosexual acts are at loggerheads with the physical form and biological functions of all human bodies.

I know that it is true that many (not all) homosexuals (especially men) often have risky sexual encounters with strangers.

Additionally, the type of sex many gay men prefer - risky sex with others who are strangers (and so whose health status is unknown) - is very irresponsible.

Once again, stereotypes over facts. You clearly know a lot huh?

No, what I said is fact.

In all big western cities there are places, (often called "saunas" or - ironically - "health clubs"), for homosexual men to congregate and have risky sex with strangers.

I demonstrate this thus:

1) Customer reviews of "New Action" (a venue for gay sex) in Berlin, Germany:

"One of the best cruise bars in Berlin. Was there during HustlaBall 2011. Best part was the fact it was mostly bareback (hey your an adult and it's your choice, yes)"

"Was a major turn off to see many only wanted BB"

"The place was good but as it was mostly a bareback venue (one need to agree that it's a place for HIV+ men, so at your own risk, of course)"

http://berlin.nighttours.com/gayguide/new_action.html

2) Customer review of "Pipeworks" (a venue for gay sex in Glasgow, UK)

"Most of them are doing bareback and then sticking their cocks in anyone's mouth !"

http://glasgow.gaycities.com/bathhouses/...-pipeworks

3) Customer review of "Folsom Prison" (a venue for gay sex in San Francisco, USA)

"Folsom Prison is nasty, and it is primarily there for bareback hard core sex and many of the guys are on drugs and many are HIV positive"

http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2094789

4) Customer review of "Headquarters" (a venue for gay sex in Sydney, Australia)

Altogether at the piss party I took 9 loads of cum, and countless loads of piss. I got fucked bareback by 12 people, and 1 guy tried to fuck me with a condom on, but when I realised it was covered I jumped off the sling, and told him to go fuck himself! That all within the 2 hours I was there.

http://internationalbbboy.blogspot.co.uk...ralia.html

All this is just from a 2 minute googling - obviously more detailed info could be found with a more detailed search.

Additionally, if you care to log-onto the site gaydar.co.uk, or similar, you will find that the majority of men who use these sites openly seek risky sex with strangers from the internet. I did this as a little experience and was quite shocked to see how the reality of homosexuality is markedly different from its sanitised, false public image.

We can see that - although 1 or 2 gay men say dangerous sex is a "turn off" - the reviews agree that the majority of the sex taking place is risky and irresponsible, even when it is known that HIV+ people are present.

We can see that irresponsible, risky sex with strangers is a very common feature of homosexual activity across the western world.

I am not here to promote lies or stereotypes, or to defame anyone.

I am here to speak the truth.

Care to comment on the gay marriage movement, in this case?

Different subject, different thread.

the highest rates of HIV infection tend to be in countries where homosexuality is criminalized. And why the US is the only western country where the predominant demographic for infection is gay men.

These are lies, Esquilax.

The pathologies associated with homosexuality (HIV etc) increase markedly in line with increased social toleration of homosexuality.

Much like how, if Heroin were legal, the amount of Heroin addicts would go up.

I have already posted data on this thread showing that in both the USA and the UK, gay men are the demographic worst hit by HIV.

It is also the case in Australia:

Gay men and other men who have sex with men are named as a priority population in Australia's Sixth National HIV Strategy because gay men (as a group) have a much higher risk of acquiring HIV than other people.

Between 2007 and 2011, 3,536 new HIV diagnoses were attributed to sexual contact between men, representing 66% of all HIV diagnoses.

The Sixth National HIV Strategy states that 'the highest priority is to address the resurgence of HIV transmission among gay men in Australia'.

http://www.afao.org.au/about-hiv/the-hiv...-australia

And in Canada:

In the period 1985-2001, the men having sex with men category accounted for 62% of adult HIV diagnoses for which exposure category was reported. The equivalent proportion was 31% in 2007. Men who have sex with men (MSM) remains the largest single exposure category.

http://www.avert.org/canada-hiv.htm

It is the case everywhere where homosexuality is legal. Unfortunately, language barriers prevent me for posting data for non-English speaking countries.

Who's denying reality again?

You are - obviously.

Despite clearly having a thing against homosexuals you presume to know everything about their intimate sexual habits. Something doesn't add up here; could it be that you're just full of shit?

I do not have a thing against homosexuals. I know several homosexual people and every last one of them is a kind and decent person. My wifes cousin is a lesbian and you could not meet a nicer young woman.

However, none of this detracts from the reality of homosexual sex.

I am not "full of shit", as the evidence I have posted shows.

Gonna go ahead and say the church spreading misinformation about condom use probably did have something to do about that.

The Church does not spread misinformation about HIV. I have already presented facts on the thread which show that expert public health opinion says that empirical data supports Catholic sexual morality.

Again:

When Pope Benedict XVI commented this month that condom distribution isn't helping, and may be worsening, the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa, he set off a firestorm of protest. Most non-Catholic commentary has been highly critical of the pope. A cartoon in the Philadelphia Inquirer, reprinted in The Post, showed the pope somewhat ghoulishly praising a throng of sick and dying Africans: "Blessed are the sick, for they have not used condoms."

Yet, in truth, current empirical evidence supports him.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...-epidemics

Empirical evidence is a good thing, yah? It is what rational people base their opinion on.

The Catholic Church has many points. You, however, do not.

The information I have presented to you here clearly shows that I do.

I am now popping out for a while, however, I will be glad to return to the thread later.

Cheers
GS

[Zone]

However, none of this detracts from the reality of homosexual sex.

If the human body isn't designed (naturally evolved) for homosexual sex then how are homosexuals managing to have sex? I suppose women have to augment themselves a bit else they wouldn't have much to do anything with but God doesn't condemn lesbian women in the Bible only homosexual men specifically.

[Esquilax]

Hi Esquilax,

I will answer the bits where you have posed a coherent and worthwhile question, below:

Hoo boy, this is already turning out great...

I have not used any "vicious stereotypes" to support my arguments.

Except that your argument is nothing but.

I have used only facts, medical data and expert opinion (anything else would be irrelevant) and have supported these statements with references.

We'll see about that.

I know that it is true that homosexual acts are at loggerheads with the physical form and biological functions of all human bodies.

That's certainly your opinion. It means nothing whatsoever- after all, a prostate exam is pretty much regulation for men of a certain age, so it's not like the biological usages of body parts are all we use them for- but you have a right to have it. The problem is that you're asserting it like I should give a damn what you feel the proper use of the body is.

In all big western cities there are places, (often called "saunas" or - ironically - "health clubs"), for homosexual men to congregate and have risky sex with strangers.

Congrats: you did a google search for something specific and found it. Amazing.

I wonder how many straight brothels I could find if I searched for that? Would you suggest the existence of such things indicates a trend toward heterosexual sleeping around?

Additionally, if you care to log-onto the site gaydar.co.uk, or similar, you will find that the majority of men who use these sites openly seek risky sex with strangers from the internet. I did this as a little experience and was quite shocked to see how the reality of homosexuality is markedly different from its sanitised, false public image.

Ever hear of a thing called "confirmation bias?"

I am not here to promote lies or stereotypes, or to defame anyone.

I am here to speak the truth.

Sure you are. That's demonstrably true, and not a falsehood in any way. /sarcasm

You really are full of shit.

Different subject, different thread.

Only if you weren't playing on the stereotype of the promiscuous gay. Since you are, this subject is more of a contradiction in your story.

the highest rates of HIV infection tend to be in countries where homosexuality is criminalized. And why the US is the only western country where the predominant demographic for infection is gay men.

These are lies, Esquilax.

The pathologies associated with homosexuality (HIV etc) increase markedly in line with increased social toleration of homosexuality.

Which is why Uganda's right near the top of the list in terms of adult prevalence for the disease, yet Sweden and Australia are right near the bottom. Who's lying here, asshole?

I have already posted data on this thread showing that in both the USA and the UK, gay men are the demographic worst hit by HIV.

Specious, contextless data. The best kind!

You are - obviously.

Jackass.

I do not have a thing against homosexuals. I know several homosexual people and every last one of them is a kind and decent person. My wifes cousin is a lesbian and you could not meet a nicer young woman.

However, none of this detracts from the reality of homosexual sex.

I am not "full of shit", as the evidence I have posted shows.

Not admitting to it doesn't change anything.

Beyond that, spare me the "I have gay friends" crap, that's the oldest trick in the book.

The Church does not spread misinformation about HIV. I have already presented facts on the thread which show that expert public health opinion says that empirical data supports Catholic sexual morality.

Is it not a fact that the church opposed condom use in AIDS ravaged Africa?

When Pope Benedict XVI commented this month that condom distribution isn't helping, and may be worsening, the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa, he set off a firestorm of protest. Most non-Catholic commentary has been highly critical of the pope. A cartoon in the Philadelphia Inquirer, reprinted in The Post, showed the pope somewhat ghoulishly praising a throng of sick and dying Africans: "Blessed are the sick, for they have not used condoms."

Yet, in truth, current empirical evidence supports him.

You are making a huge, huge leap here: all this says is the situation isn't getting better. How does that make lying about one of the few things we know works in stopping infection okay?

Empirical evidence is a good thing, yah? It is what rational people base their opinion on.

And when you can't be rational, you just spin it to suit your purposes, huh?

The information I have presented to you here clearly shows that I do.

I am now popping out for a while, however, I will be glad to return to the thread later.

Cheers
GS

Smugly demanding that you're right doesn't affect your position in the slightest. It's interesting that you've done that multiple times in a single post.

[Mystical]

Is the Catholic church really really broadcasting that condoms are the cause of worsening AIDS epidemic in Africa?
Reeeaaaaalllllllyyyyyy????

Your statistical 'evidence' is cherry picking at best and does not relay the full picture, just a piece.

I'm still blown away on the condom stance. WOW.

You are an immature idiot, Violet Lilly Blossom, and I will henceforth cease wasting my time engaging with you.

Your puerile excuse for an intellect is clearly only suited to living within your own fantasy world - it is not suited to rational, adult discussion, where we deal with facts and the truth.

With kind regards
GS

Miss Violet here is not living in a fantasy world, sir. You are. She's the most rational adult person I've met and the fact that you
may not identify this only says something derogatory about you.

Kindly take your puerile excuse for intellect and shove it where the sun don't shine (use lube).

[Esquilax]

It does actually say that clothing and technology is a result of original sin in Genesis when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. They were romping around naked before that. There was a time I suppose when our ancestors were romping around naked on the African savannah though it wasn't much of a paradise.

So does anyone else find it terribly interesting that the human soul has apparently done a complete one-eighty since Eden and now nudity is sinful?

Gotta love an inerrant book whose idea of paradise is bouncing around in the buff with a woman and then turns around and calls that a sin further in. Good to see people are making that book the cornerstone of their morality...

[Zone]

Gotta love an inerrant book whose idea of paradise is bouncing around in the buff with a woman and then turns around and calls that a sin further in. Good to see people are making that book the cornerstone of their morality...

The idea would be that they didn't have any lustful thoughts before they ate the fruit.

[CleanShavenJesus]

As a religious man, I am against homosexuality. BUT I am not against gay marriage.

Church and state are seperate in the United States. If homosexuals want to be married, that is all legislation. But for homosexuals to engage in sexual acts with one another and live like a man or a woman, that is God's territory. And it is up to them if they want to abide to God's wishes or not. But I have many friends who are homosexual, and they get me, and I get them. They're not religious people. what happens to them will all be up to Him in the end, I try to reserve my judgment towards them to myself and myself only.

[Zone]

If you worship a deity who will send people to hell for the sin of being gay then you're a little bit crackers, a fruit cake, three sheets to the wind, away with the fairies.

[CleanShavenJesus]

If you worship a deity who will send people to hell for the sin of being gay then you're a little bit crackers, a fruit cake, three sheets to the wind.

I chose my words specifically in my last post, don't put words in my mouth.

[Mystical]

As a religious man, I am against homosexuality. BUT I am not against gay marriage.

Church and state are seperate in the United States. If homosexuals want to be married, that is all legislation. But for homosexuals to engage in sexual acts with one another and live like a man or a woman, that is God's territory. And it is up to them if they want to abide to God's wishes or not. But I have many friends who are homosexual, and they get me, and I get them. They're not religious people. what happens to them will all be up to Him in the end, I try to reserve my judgment towards them to myself and myself only.

Well I for one thank you. Seriously, best position you can have on the subject from your perspective.