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[Tiberius]

I'd appreciate some form of comment on my rebuttal of your arguments back here if you wouldn't mind?

[Eilonnwy]

no, im saying everything whether it can be explained or not has a CAUSE. if you cannot find the cuase you then say well I dont know. There would be no logic at all in sayng oh it just happend there is no cuase. That would be a completely retarded thing to say.

I was saying that your use of the word "created" implies a creator. As Darwinian said, first you have to prove it has a cause, because even that is not implicitly true and then you have to prove it's a creatod, meaning it has a creator.

[kittenshere]

I cannot make you believe nor do I need to. you cant explain how earth got here and I cant explain how God got here and no one can explain where God resided before heaven was created. The only person that has all the answers Is God for believers and I dont know what for the non believers. No human will ever understand everything. But it doesnt mean what we dont understand or seem logical for the carnal man doesnt exist

[Darwinian]

But it doesnt mean what we dont understand or seem logical for the carnal man doesnt exist

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[kittenshere]

Adrian said, We seek out these causes, and seek to explain these causes. However just because there exists the question "what caused this" does not mean the answer is "God".

Adrian some things will never ever be explained by the carnal man. No one will ever know how God came to exist not matter how much research/seeking they do. if unexplanable it does not mean it came from God but it also doesnt mean it didnt.

[Tiberius]

Adrian some things will never ever be explained by the carnal man. No one will ever know how God came to exist not matter how much research/seeking they do. if unexplanable it does not mean it came from God but it also doesnt mean it didnt.

This is the point though. You have not presented sufficient evidence to even support the claim that God exists. God itself is not just unexplained, but unproven. I agree, something unexplainable could come from God, but given that God itself is unproven and ultimately unexplained, there is no reason to even suggest such a source when there are natural explanations that can be proven.

[Minimalist]

And just because you want it to doesn't mean it does exist either!

Kyu

Ah yes, kyu....but they so badly want to have their big sky-daddy looking out for them. Makes them feel less alone.

[kittenshere]

How can anyone prove a spirit? a spirit is not of flesh and blood. I will tell you that researchers did find out there was a man called Jesus that lived in Israel. Jesus' father was God. Lots of people dont belive in spirits but I have witnessed spirits so I know they exist for a fact. As far as im concerned, I need nor want anymore proof of spirits existing. I have all the proof I need.

[Tiberius]

A tree is not of flesh and blood yet we can prove trees exist.

I don't doubt that there was probably a man called Jesus that lived in Israel. What I dispute is that Jesus' father was God. There is no evidence of this at all.

I have witnessed "spirits" too. I put them down to tricks of the mind combined with shadows / air currents.

So you start out your post by asking how anyone can prove a spirit, and then end it by concluding that you have all the proof you need. If you admit that there is no proof, then "all the proof you need" is literally nothing at all. Well at least we know how your brain works now; evidently you will believe any claim as long as there is no proof of it!

[Kyuuketsuki]

you cant explain how earth got here

Yeah we pretty much can!

The Birth Of The Earth: The Earth's Formation in a Nutshell

Long, long ago (some 5 billion years ago) in a perfectly ordinary place in the galaxy, a supernova exploded, pushing a lot of its heavy-element wreckage into a nearby cloud of hydrogen gas and interstellar dust. The mixture grew hot and compressed under its own gravity, and at its center a new star began to form. Around it swirled a disk of the same material, which grew white-hot from the great compressive forces. That new star became our Sun, and the glowing disk gave rise to Earth and its sister planets. We can see just this sort of thing happening elsewhere in the universe.

While the Sun grew in size and energy, beginning to ignite its nuclear fires, the hot disk slowly cooled. This took millions of years. During that time, the components of the disk began to freeze out into small dust-size grains. Iron metal and compounds of silicon, magnesium, aluminum, and oxygen came out first in that fiery setting. Bits of these are preserved in chondrite meteorites. Slowly these grains settled together and collected into clumps, then chunks, then boulders and finally bodies large enough to exert their own gravity—planetesimals. This whole process is rather well modeled by scientists like those at the Planetary Research Institute.

As time went by, planetesimals grew by collision with other bodies, and as their mass grew larger, the energies involved did too. By the time they reached a hundred kilometers or so in size, planetesimal collisions produced a lot of outright melting and vaporization, and the materials—which we can confidently call rocks and iron metal—began to sort themselves out. The dense iron settled in the center and the lighter rock separated into a mantle around the iron, in a miniature of Earth and the other inner planets today. Planetologists call this differentiation, and it is documented not only for the planets, but also for most of the large moons and the largest asteroids (from which come iron meteorites). The asteroids Ceres, Pallas and Vesta survive from that time, miniature planets.
Earth Is Born

At some point during this time, the Sun ignited. Although the Sun was only about two-thirds as bright as it is today, the process of ignition (the so-called T-Tauri phase) was energetic enough to blow away most of the gaseous part of the protoplanetary disk. The chunks, boulders, and planetesimals left behind continued to collect into a handful of large, stable bodies in well-spaced orbits.

Earth was the third one of these, counting outward from the Sun. We know that the process of accumulation was violent and spectacular, because the smaller pieces left huge craters on the larger ones. Our studies of the other planets in the Space Age document these impacts everywhere we've looked.

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So that leaves us with what? Not being able to explain your God wasn't it?

How about this? Your god is fiction ... next?

Kyu