Divine Revelation

[Brian37]

P.s. this isn't related at all, but I've asked the same question on a different forum and someone gave me an answer... justifying the book Revelations.

*4 posts by the both of us later*

STILL doesn't understand that I want to discuss personal revelations.

It's amazing how some literature that you read can completely burn the brain to a crisp. It frightens me to be honest.

What personal revelation do you have?

We don't have personal revelations. "Revelations" are what lovers of comic books have.

We have the VALUE of testing and falsification. "Revelation" only requires you to feel like you have something that feels great.

Skeptics allow their claims to have the shit kicked out of it by peer review in order to confirm the data they have.

[FallentoReason]

P.s. this isn't related at all, but I've asked the same question on a different forum and someone gave me an answer... justifying the book Revelations.

*4 posts by the both of us later*

STILL doesn't understand that I want to discuss personal revelations.

It's amazing how some literature that you read can completely burn the brain to a crisp. It frightens me to be honest.

What personal revelation do you have?

If we're not talking divine revelation (because I have none of that) then I don't know what other sort there is. I just have knowledge derived from reality such as scientific, mathematical & philosophical knowledge.

[Angrboda]

I think, if one is referring to divine revelation, a minimum of evidence that it is in fact divine is demonstration that the insight couldn't have been produced in the absence of divine influence, that the person couldn't have arrived at the insight by normal means. It's possible that a divinity inspires revelations that the person "could have arrived at naturally," but there's no way to separate those insights from ones which did occur naturally. In the bible, prophecies about the future, if genuine, fall into this category. In the personal revelation department, demonstration of knowledge that one had no way of knowing is another possible demonstration (though such demonstrations have their own problems, as does prophecy).

Drich, do you have any insights that you verifiably could not have had without divine intervention?

[Drich]

I think, if one is referring to divine revelation, a minimum of evidence that it is in fact divine is demonstration that the insight couldn't have been produced in the absence of divine influence, that the person couldn't have arrived at the insight by normal means. It's possible that a divinity inspires revelations that the person "could have arrived at naturally," but there's no way to separate those insights from ones which did occur naturally. In the bible, prophecies about the future, if genuine, fall into this category. In the personal revelation department, demonstration of knowledge that one had no way of knowing is another possible demonstration (though such demonstrations have their own problems, as does prophecy).

Drich, do you have any insights that you verifiably could not have had without divine intervention?

I believe My revelation of Hell could be considered a devine revelation. I was made privy to concepts that took years of study and research to confirm biblically.

My Thread on Messenger/message would be an example of 'Divine intervention.' The revelations I was given at that time are still unfolding.

[Brian37]

I think, if one is referring to divine revelation, a minimum of evidence that it is in fact divine is demonstration that the insight couldn't have been produced in the absence of divine influence, that the person couldn't have arrived at the insight by normal means. It's possible that a divinity inspires revelations that the person "could have arrived at naturally," but there's no way to separate those insights from ones which did occur naturally. In the bible, prophecies about the future, if genuine, fall into this category. In the personal revelation department, demonstration of knowledge that one had no way of knowing is another possible demonstration (though such demonstrations have their own problems, as does prophecy).

Drich, do you have any insights that you verifiably could not have had without divine intervention?

I believe My revelation of Hell could be considered a devine revelation. I was made privy to concepts that took years of study and research to confirm biblically.

My Thread on Messenger/message would be an example of 'Divine intervention.' The revelations I was given at that time are still unfolding.

No, if you had any "visions" of hell, that is a combo of other idiots selling you that fictional concept, you swallowing it first, then having a physical reaction to that fiction.

You simply scared the shit out of yourself because of lies other people sold you.

No human in history, no "oracle" no "medium" no "prophet" no one ever talks to a god or gods. People just have delusions and a lack of understanding of human brain chemistry or how easily they can fool themselves into believing this crap.

If you really think you are talking to a god or having "revelations" it is merely your lack of understanding of human biology and brain chemistry and human psychology.

But you are NOT talking to any invisible being nor are you having any "revelations".

[Angrboda]

Drich, do you have any insights that you verifiably could not have had without divine intervention?

I believe My revelation of Hell could be considered a devine revelation. I was made privy to concepts that took years of study and research to confirm biblically.

What specific things did you learn during your dream of hell that took years of study to "confirm biblically" ? What do you mean by "confirm biblically" ?

[Brian37]

I believe My revelation of Hell could be considered a devine revelation. I was made privy to concepts that took years of study and research to confirm biblically.

What specific things did you learn during your dream of hell that took years of study to "confirm biblically" ? What do you mean by "confirm biblically" ?

I can guess what should be the honest answer that wont follow.

"I had a dream and refuse to accept the fact that it was just a dream. I also failed to take into account all the other dreams, which a majority we don't remember, and or chose to ignore the ones that don't fit. I fail to consider sample rate errors and selection bias. I am merely seeing what I want to see."

[FallentoReason]

It's possible that a divinity inspires revelations that the person "could have arrived at naturally,"

How is it possible that God could have inspired revelation ('inspired' - that implies some sort of intervention with the person) without intervening so that the person "arrived at it naturally"? Sounds like having your cake and eating it to me.

[Drich]

I believe My revelation of Hell could be considered a devine revelation. I was made privy to concepts that took years of study and research to confirm biblically.

What specific things did you learn during your dream of hell that took years of study to "confirm biblically" ? What do you mean by "confirm biblically" ?

Before the dream My understanding of Hell was based on the divine comedy. 9 layers based on the sins your life was defined by.

After my experience I found Hell to be nothing like what I read about, and was taught from the church. It was a pit an emptiness,
( I also learned what was so scary about gnashed teeth) It was with out physical flame, but the experience of it was like being consumed as if set on fire (i burned my jacket and myself when I was young trying to make a camp fire with gasoline) In that the raw emotion of being consume, by the darkness or the emptiness is the what Christ was trying to capture when He said Hell was a lake of fire. Because when you are cast into the pit or the 'grave' you are immearsed, consumed or swallowed by it. every fiber of your being screams out in panic as the light of creation fades. As if being consumed by fire/sinking to a bottom of a deep deep lake/ocean. After the thought of an eternity of this sunk in I lost all hope. I was ready to give up my sanity to this place, but i was pulled out. and was told I have the second chance I was begging for, and that Hell was indeed a big place that went on forever, and that I never actually made it past the gates. (I got to peer in)

After much study I found that the OT and The NT version of Hell were describing the same place. even though speaking to different aspects of it. hell was a seperation from God. As God is eternal life, Hell is described as the Grave. I also experienced being consumed by "the fires" of Hell. Before this I though we were to spend an eternity suffering. The bible does not say this. It only says Hell is forever, it does not say we are in Hell forever. Or rather we are aware to the same degree we are now. Christ mentions the seperation of the wheat and the weeds and the wheat and the chaff, where the wheat is taken into the store house (heaven) and the chaff/weeds are thrown into the fire and consumed where their is weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Which BTW is a tightly/tooth shattering clenched jaw, as you attempt to scream out a paniced plea) I'm still not sure if some part of us will be in Hell forever or not, but I do know that our ablity to control our minds (our sanity and higher thinking) is a gift from God which makes it apart of creation. Hell is the void or absents of creation. I am sure once you make it though the gates all of creation will be left behind. (so it will not matter if your physically/spiritually in Hell or not.) -or will it?

If you want to get into it any deeper start a Hell thread. i don't want to hijack this one anymore than I already have.

[FallentoReason]

What specific things did you learn during your dream of hell that took years of study to "confirm biblically" ? What do you mean by "confirm biblically" ?

Before the dream My understanding of Hell was based on the divine comedy. 9 layers based on the sins your life was defined by.

After my experience I found Hell to be nothing like what I read about, and was taught from the church. It was a pit an emptiness,
( I also learned what was so scary about gnashed teeth) It was with out physical flame, but the experience of it was like being consumed as if set on fire (i burned my jacket and myself when I was young trying to make a camp fire with gasoline) In that the raw emotion of being consume, by the darkness or the emptiness is the what Christ was trying to capture when He said Hell was a lake of fire. Because when you are cast into the pit or the 'grave' you are immearsed, consumed or swallowed by it. every fiber of your being screams out in panic as the light of creation fades. As if being consumed by fire/sinking to a bottom of a deep deep lake/ocean. After the thought of an eternity of this sunk in I lost all hope. I was ready to give up my sanity to this place, but i was pulled out. and was told I have the second chance I was begging for, and that Hell was indeed a big place that went on forever, and that I never actually made it past the gates. (I got to peer in)

After much study I found that the OT and The NT version of Hell were describing the same place. even though speaking to different aspects of it. hell was a seperation from God. As God is eternal life, Hell is described as the Grave. I also experienced being consumed by "the fires" of Hell. Before this I though we were to spend an eternity suffering. The bible does not say this. It only says Hell is forever, it does not say we are in Hell forever. Or rather we are aware to the same degree we are now. Christ mentions the seperation of the wheat and the weeds and the wheat and the chaff, where the wheat is taken into the store house (heaven) and the chaff/weeds are thrown into the fire and consumed where their is weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Which BTW is a tightly/tooth shattering clenched jaw, as you attempt to scream out a paniced plea) I'm still not sure if some part of us will be in Hell forever or not, but I do know that our ablity to control our minds (our sanity and higher thinking) is a gift from God which makes it apart of creation. Hell is the void or absents of creation. I am sure once you make it though the gates all of creation will be left behind. (so it will not matter if your physically/spiritually in Hell or not.) -or will it?

If you want to get into it any deeper start a Hell thread. i don't want to hijack this one anymore than I already have.

And you've had 20 years to refine this story, whether on purpose or not.

If I may... my question stays the same; how were you given this revelation? Did God materialize particles in your brain while you were sleeping therefore producing this dream? Did he sit at the feet of your bed an verbally narrate the story and your brain took this and played it out while you were asleep? Did God literally warp space-time around your head so that you could experience a different reality altogether where the revelation was possible?