Question about female worth in islam.

[Atheistic_Dan]

Exactly and it is the other way around as well
If a person is gay, he will try (sometimes unconsciously) to believe in no god, because only then he can feel ok by himself

Extraordinary claim with absolutely no evidence to support that claim. Someone being gay does not dictate their personal religious beliefs.

Yes, it is natural, yet it is not allowed
It is like feeling angry from somebody and fight the "natural" feeling of wanting to kill him
God created bad and good desires inside us, this doesn't make it fine

Doing sex outside marriage or with the same sex, is a big sin and punished by death.

So God creates homosexuals, and then sends them to hell for being exactly as he created them? Where's the logic there?

How many non-virgin brides have you stoned to death, then? It's also important to note that homosexual tenancies have been shown to exist in well over 1000 animal species, if something is natural, how can it not be allowed? Your logic is so flawed its laughable.

How many non-virgin brides have you stoned to death? Also, how could it be that a supposedly "perfect" being can create such imperfect humans?

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[CleanShavenJesus]

This is a blank assertion (which is ironic considering how quickly you like to point out assertions when someone does it to you). I know five gay people. All five are devout Christians.

Then they must have developed a total new version of Christianity
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No. Some churches are just smartening up.

[Dragonetti]

OK! You Bacha Bazi!
Quran calls for the death of non-believers and leads to violence:
Quran Passages - 2:191-193, 2:244, 2:216, 3:56 (Killing anyone who rejects his faith), 3:151, and many more passages.

The Bible is the same way, since the Quran is based from the Bible.

Islamic countries have a sizable gay population, which follow Islam. Practicing Bacha Bazi and Chia Tea Boy is pretty much gay and disheartening.

[Meylis Delano Lawrence]

I'm not very familiar with Islam. However, I recently had a small portion of it explained to me by a Muslim woman who goes to the same college as I.

According to her, a woman in Islam is worth 1/2 of a man. (She actually tried to argue that this was proof that Islam respects women. I don't know how she thought that saying women are worth 1/2 of men would help her case. Maybe she assumes that women outside of Islam are worth less than 1/2 of a male?)

At any rate, her English wasn't very good, so it's possible she meant that men and women are considered equal halves by Islam.

Does anyone here know if Islamic texts give any fractions for the worth of women? I will consider it bigoted and horrid unless 1 woman=1 man.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index....ic=21212.0

[Kim]

I'm a former Muslim and was raised in a very conservative Salafi household, so let's must boil it down to two things:

1. Women gen 1/2 of what a man gets in inheritance.
2. The testimony of 2 women equal of that of one man.

AFAIK, that's pretty much all the "1/2" stuff in Islam as far as Men and Women go. Now there are more horrible stuff that usually westerners have no idea about because they are buried within Sunnah (and not necessarily Quran).

For example, how many know that in Islam, hell is primary filled with women? why? For many reasons, but again primarily because they are ungrateful to their husbands!

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052)

This particular hadeeth was actually one of the first to make me become skeptic because of the very obvious injustice. There is another hadeeth that includes additional reasons such as cursing. But why women curse more than men? If all created with equal mental capabilities, then the cursing between men and women should be about equal. On the other hand, if women curse more, this means that it is inherit in their nature, and you can't design something with a flaw only to punish it later!

[Chas]

I don't think anyone "must" wear clothes. It is recommended here, because you will probably die without, but if you really wanted to go around butt naked, I wouldn't stop you.

In various places, public nudity is a crime. And no, you will not die without clothing inside buildings or during spring, fall, or summer months. Alternatively, you would do just fine year-round at the equator.

Essentially, you would die without clothing outside, in the middle of winter. But we already put on special clothing for that, so even that doesn't explain why ordinary, light clothing is worn by every civilized society.

In essence, every civilized society is victim to the same clothing fallacy as Islam.

No.
The point you are missing is that their standards are grossly unequal. It is about the subjugation of women.

[Muslim Scholar]

I'm a former Muslim and was raised in a very conservative Salafi household, so let's must boil it down to two things:

1. Women gen 1/2 of what a man gets in inheritance.
2. The testimony of 2 women equal of that of one man.

But you forgot that men are obligated to pay all expenses for women so the 1/2 inheritance that they get is a bonus

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052)

This particular hadeeth was actually one of the first to make me become skeptic because of the very obvious injustice.

There is no injustice here, it is just a fact
It is like saying the crime rate in African American is higher than others; it is just a fact nothing more!

[Minimalist]

No.
The point you are missing is that their standards are grossly unequal. It is about the subjugation of women.

From what I've seen of muslim men they'd be better off letting the women run the show for a while. Couldn't be any worse off than they are.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Men are the ones that are ungrateful, well, the ones that wrote that. Wtf, at least be grateful to the sacrifices your parents made, and I'm sure in such societies mothers sacrifice way more than fathers do, and then you think that women should burn in hell because once in a while they get cranky with you? Seriously?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Don't forget that MS is actually a reprehensible human being.