proof of end times?

[allan175]

Psalm 23,

And when Hell doesn't erupt on Earth as you predict, how will you explain it?

That's easy, because we can keep pushing the dates as far back as we desire, because Jesus said, "No one knows of the hour or day."

Did you know I can predict the weather perfectly? It's going to snow tomorrow.

If not, then it might be the day after, or possibly the day after that, or maybe.....<ad infinitum>

[Ace Otana]

Psalm 23,

And when Hell doesn't erupt on Earth as you predict, how will you explain it?

That's easy, because we can keep pushing the dates as far back as we desire, because Jesus said, "No one knows of the hour or day."

So, your just guessing the date?

This is one of many reasons of why I never pay any attention to predictions that religion comes up with.
They never happen and they are only guessing. What if thousands of years from now, religion would be long gone and that this jesus thing never turned up? If he takes too long, there won't be a religion around or any followers for him to be worshiped by.

[allan175]

Psalm 23,

And when Hell doesn't erupt on Earth as you predict, how will you explain it?

That's easy, because we can keep pushing the dates as far back as we desire, because Jesus said, "No one knows of the hour or day."

So, your just guessing the date?

That was my point!

[Edwardo Piet]

Yes
Pslam. this won't happen in our life time. I don't think it will EVER happen. Basically the chance of Jesus returning is like the chance that gravity will stop working and 746 rainbow coloured martians commanded by Zeus and a half goblin half horse that loves to eat honey and drink pear cider will suddenly appear out of nowhere and start orbiting every planet in the universe including Earth of course. Of course I don't know how close these two probabilities are EXACTLY. But basically they're about as close to ZERO as you can get. Obviously.
And how will we ever know if it happens AFTER our life time anyway? You're in a no-lose situation if you simply play the "faith card" and ignore evidence. Or the absence of evidence.
If you just keep putting the date further and further away then hypothetically speaking, if the human race survived for a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years and people still believed in Jesus AND Jesus STILL hadn't come...should they push it back further still? You're in a "no-lose" situation there aren't you? Of course you're in a no-win situation too. Its a load of bullshit really. Jesus will come when not only pigs fly but donkeys play the harp Yahweh and Zeus fight to the death and 7 hydras fight the invisible pink unicorn while an intangible invisible mint and chocolate chip flavoured goblin that looks a bit like a cactus takes over the universe. Or maybe it won't even happen then! Those two possibilities very probably aren't connected, lol.

[Psalm 23]

So, your just guessing the date?

No, I'm not predicting a date.

This is one of many reasons of why I never pay any attention to predictions that religion comes up with.

You shouldn't pay attention to those who claim a specific date. These people are deluded, and paranoid.

They never happen and they are only guessing. What if thousands of years from now, religion would be long gone and that this jesus thing never turned up? If he takes too long, there won't be a religion around or any followers for him to be worshiped by.

Yes, this is very true. If Jesus doesn't show up within the next few hundred years, I believe Christ will be no popular than Zeus and Thor. And we all know what happened to those gods.. they were slowly forgotten.

[Edwardo Piet]

So, your just guessing the date?

No, I'm not predicting a date.

This is one of many reasons of why I never pay any attention to predictions that religion comes up with.

You shouldn't pay attention to those who claim a specific date. These people are deluded, and paranoid.

They never happen and they are only guessing. What if thousands of years from now, religion would be long gone and that this jesus thing never turned up? If he takes too long, there won't be a religion around or any followers for him to be worshiped by.

Yes, this is very true. If Jesus doesn't show up within the next few hundred years, I believe Christ will be no popular than Zeus and Thor. And we all know what happened to those gods.. they were slowly forgotten.

Pity I'm not going to be able to live long enough to officially miss "the second coming" then. Damn! I wanna see Jesus not come back.

[Psalm 23]

Yes
Pslam. this won't happen in our life time. I don't think it will EVER happen. Basically the chance of Jesus returning is like the chance that gravity will stop working and 746 rainbow coloured martians commanded by Zeus and a half goblin half horse that loves to eat honey and drink pear cider will suddenly appear out of nowhere and start orbiting every planet in the universe including Earth of course.

The question always remains no matter how much you believe it can't happen. The question is, "What if?" Think about it for a minute. What are you going to do when it's broadcast all over the cable news channels and internet that a man claiming to be the second coming Messiah has entered in to the Temple in Jerusalem? And this Messiah is raising the dead out of their Tombs? I think that would be a scary moment for atheists. But that's just my opinion and belief.

And how will we ever know if it happens AFTER our life time anyway? You're in a no-lose situation if you simply play the "faith card" and ignore evidence. Or the absence of evidence.

As I explained previously. The lack of evidence arguement is flawed. The absence of evidence is invalid until every last option has been explored. Since we know that can never happen.. how can you say for sure if there is a higher power?

If you just keep putting the date further and further away then hypothetically speaking, if the human race survived for a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years and people still believed in Jesus AND Jesus STILL hadn't come...should they push it back further still? You're in a "no-lose" situation there aren't you? Of course you're in a no-win situation too. Its a load of bullshit really.

Yes, It's comforting to know that believers in Christ are in a no-lose situation. If Jesus was God, I win. If there is no God, that means I don't lose.

Jesus will come when not only pigs fly but donkeys play the harp Yahweh and Zeus fight to the death and 7 hydras fight the invisible pink unicorn while an intangible invisible mint and chocolate chip flavoured goblin that looks a bit like a cactus takes over the universe. Or maybe it won't even happen then! Those two possibilities very probably aren't connected, lol.

You don't have to believe Jesus Christ will return. That is your belief, nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove Jesus won't return, the same way I can't prove he will.

[allan175]

What are you going to do when it's broadcast all over the cable news channels and internet that a man claiming to be the second coming Messiah has entered in to the Temple in Jerusalem? And this Messiah is raising the dead out of their Tombs? I think that would be a scary moment for atheists. But that's just my opinion and belief.

I think a load of zombies rising up would be pretty scary for everyone!

But seriously, if that was reported on the news I'd be waiting for some more reports/evidence before actually believing it had happened and once it was proved I'd be thinking "Looks like I was wrong.", hardly scared. Somehow I don't expect it to be happening any time soon though.

Yes, It's comforting to know that believers in Christ are in a no-lose situation. If Jesus was God, I win. If there is no God, that means I don't lose.

What if the god that shows up is actually Allah/Zeus/Thor/one of the many Hindu gods? Then you'll be in a 100% lose situation (like you are saying we are).

[Psalm 23]

I think a load of zombies rising up would be pretty scary for everyone!

I don't think it would be scary for believers. They would flock by the billions to Israel to witness this man. Heck, millions and millions of international tourists flock to Jerusalem now.

But seriously, if that was reported on the news I'd be waiting for some more reports/evidence before actually believing it had happened and once it was proved I'd be thinking "Looks like I was wrong.", hardly scared. Somehow I don't expect it to be happening any time soon though.

Well, according to the bible. All tongues shall confess, and all knees shall bow in his presence. I think the LORD will show proof he is the one true Messiah that has returned.

What if the god that shows up is actually Allah/Zeus/Thor/one of the many Hindu gods? Then you'll be in a 100% lose situation (like you are saying we are).

That's right! If these gods exist. I'm doomed. There is no way out!

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Did you know I can predict the weather perfectly? It's going to snow tomorrow.

Are you comparing a meteorologist to a Bible Prophet?

If not, then it might be the day after, or possibly the day after that, or maybe.....<ad infinitum>

Well, take in to consideration that the Old Testament predicted a Messiah would enter in to Jerusalem. Do you realize how many centuries passed before Jesus Christ arrived? Can you imagine the thousands of people that were awaiting the arrival of their Messiah, but he never arrived within their lifetime? What does that honestly say about the unbelievers from 950 B.C to 4 B.C? I'm sure there was alot of doubt and question about this Messiah.

[Edwardo Piet]

The question always remains no matter how much you believe it can't happen. The question is, "What if?" Think about it for a minute. What are you going to do when it's broadcast all over the cable news channels and internet that a man claiming to be the second coming Messiah has entered in to the Temple in Jerusalem? And this Messiah is raising the dead out of their Tombs? I think that would be a scary moment for atheists. But that's just my opinion and belief.

Not really lol. If we're thinking "What if?" what will you do if a giant chariot made of crocodile meat comes to earth instead of Jesus? And he's evil and he destroys the universe. Earth heaven and hell. Everything. But the souls remain and everyone, whether good bad evil, hero or son of God's soul's are tortured for all eternity.
Seen as we're just thinking "what if?" and ignoring probability here! THAT would be a scary moment for EVERYONE.

As I explained previously. The lack of evidence arguement is flawed. The absence of evidence is invalid until every last option has been explored. Since we know that can never happen.. how can you say for sure if there is a higher power?

I'm not talking about absolute evidence. I am talking about current evidence in practice.
If you're suggesting that God isn't probable because there's no evidence whatsoever of his evidence...would you be willing to say the same equally about ALL the other Gods? Zeus? Thor? Allah? Or anything supernatural like the FSM or the IPU?

Yes, It's comforting to know that believers in Christ are in a no-lose situation. If Jesus was God, I win. If there is no God, that means I don't lose.

Errrr no. There could just as easily be a God that hates belief in him and damns all believers to hell and doesn't to the disbelievers. Or even sends the disbelievers to heaven because he approves of doubt.
As there is no evidence of a God at all. There is no evidence that IF there is a God he will approve believing in him anymore than doubting or disbelieving him/her/it.
Sounds like Pascal's Wager to me. A truly spineless argument with no merit or value other than self-deluded placebo.

You don't have to believe Jesus Christ will return. That is your belief, nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove Jesus won't return, the same way I can't prove he will.

But there's no reason to believe Jesus will return. As there is no evidence he is the son of God or that there will be a second coming or that any God or anything supernatural exists at all.
So why don't you think a purple alien named "bloop" will come to earth and save us instead? Because the bible doesn't say so? There is no logical reason to believe that the bible has any evidence of God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit or anything Supernatural's existence at all.
Why don't you believe in Bloop instead? Because of a book full of bullshit?

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Well, according to the bible. All tongues shall confess, and all knees shall bow in his presence. I think the LORD will show proof he is the one true Messiah that has returned.

But there is no proof of the LORD, you might as well believe that an evil git called "Norg" will come to earth and torture all souls for eternity. There is no proof of Jesus being 'The LORD". There is no proof of the supernatural at all.

Are you comparing a meteorologist to a Bible Prophet?

There is no real bible prophets. Because there is no God. Almost certainly.
I'd compare a gnats erection to a bible prophet. Actually I'd probably even give the gnat's erection the upper hand because it doesn't have a deluded dogmatic belief in a supernatural force that there is no proof of.

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Well, take in to consideration that the Old Testament predicted a Messiah would enter in to Jerusalem. Do you realize how many centuries passed before Jesus Christ arrived? Can you imagine the thousands of people that were awaiting the arrival of their Messiah, but he never arrived within their lifetime? What does that honestly say about the unbelievers from 950 B.C to 4 B.C? I'm sure there was alot of doubt and question about this Messiah.

This doesn't prove shit even if its true.
If a messiah is predicted that's nothing special. Ok, so some people felt like a guy would come that was the messiah then centuries after they died some guy claimed he was but he almost certainly wasn't and isn't.
So what?
There almost certainly is no God.