Why hate Athiest?

[thesummerqueen]

Why hate atheists?

Have you ever seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Let's make a metaphor.

Ferris is the atheist, and his sister is the religious one.

Humans hate anyone who seems to get away with having fun when they're too worried about what other people might think of them.

[JDS]

Its 2013 but, that's beside the point. Why is it that religious people, (jews,christians, muslins and pagans, etc), hate athiest so much?

I have not experienced this hatred directly, but I know it exists. It is out of my experience simply because I am not vocal about being an atheist, and none of my close friends are particularly religious.

That being said, I think that ignorance is behind most hatred. People who hate atheists, don't understand atheists. It may also be that atheists somehow threaten them as I am sure that religious people often have doubts about their faith.

[Angrboda]

So, let me see if I have this correctly. Your argument is, that based on your personal experience, and your demonstrated ability to make reliable inferences, you've concluded that we should ignore everybody that disagrees with you, regardless of their qualifications or expertise, and moreover, that if they disagree with you about certain aspects, such as drug tolerant advocacy, we should call them evil and pieces of shit.

Does that about sum it up?

Let's look at another side to this. First, for reasons obvious from your history, you somehow view this as a uniquely atheist problem.

Moreover, according to missluckie, in the year 2000, 60 deaths in the U.S. were directly attributable to MDMA. Yet, in 2010 in the U.S., there were over 10,000 alcohol related traffic fatalities. And what do we hear from you regarding the abuse of this drug? A deafening silence.


It's obvious this is nothing but a personal crusade of yours, motivated by personal demons, bad thinking, and likely a snootful of dishonest religious propaganda.


Your arguments deserve to be ignored because it's patently obvious that they issue forth from some place other than sound reason.

[jstrodel]

I have spent years of my life helping alcoholics get sober. I care deeply about the pain the alcohol causes people. And it is a personal crusade, I am proud of that but have nothing but regret about my responsible use of drugs. I know plenty about MDMA. You know, years ago, I knew enough about it that I could tell you how to make it. That didn't help me. What helps people is a kick in the pants.

It is true that alcohol has some dangers that MDMA does not. If they had a thread advocating binge drinking, I would say the same thing.

I think people that tell others that they can do drugs and it won't be a problem and encourage it are evil, just as I think that people that say it is ok to binge drink are evil.

[Angrboda]

I have spent years of my life helping alcoholics get sober. I care deeply about the pain the alcohol causes people.

Okay. I want an account of what exactly you did that occupied years of your life helping alcoholics get sober.

[Mystical]

Nah, Strodel you missed my point completely. Or you just ignored it for the more immediate use to bolster your case. I wasn't addicted to drugs because I decided one day to light up a stick of marijuana. I lit up because I hated myself and life and my god, my family, my homelessness, my abuse, my abandonment, my body in sickness, everything about me I loathed and I wanted to forget and marijuana was my medicine in desperation. I grew out of the marijuana high pretty quick, got a job and made myself a nice little home. But I got more and more empty and desolate the more productive my life became. In the end, I secretly wanted it ended as quickly as possible. So I set no limits; I sped on the highway, I walked at night in the city alone, and the day a line of coke was offered to me I took it with no hesitation whatsoever. I even felt fulfilled in the knowledge that I was on a downward spiral and no one gave a shit enough to stop me.
The same can be said for a 500lb person who ate themselves into a diabetic coma because icecream tacos make them 'happy' (although eating is known to become chemically dependent, especially chocolate). Eventually they know it'll kill them because eventually it will, I just chose the more efficient way to do it with alcohol and coke. Mind you, I was in pre-med at the time so I don't really fit your stereotype. I owned my own car, I worked full time at various jobs, I had my own apartment, I was self sufficient completely, and all of that could be attributed to my drug connected and supported life at the time.

But that's besides the point. My point was: that people are responsible for their addictive behaviors for various psychological reasons, not the non-addictive drugs. People are responsible for how far down the rabbits hole they go. Becca isn't evil as you say, for saying "Hey I'm taking some E this weekend, gonna have a good time."
What about all those people who say, "I need a drink" or, "Fuck yeah it's friday lets get drunk!". Do you tell them FU with such vigor? In my opinion alcoholism is far worse than most drugs, and I personally believe getting drunk in a single use is far more harmful to your body than one hit of E --both physically, and mentally.

And what about the people born into life at the mercy of alcoholic fathers and drug-addicted mothers? You're right, it's a status quo and a reality for many people's lives. So, are you going to say to their faces, "hey it's not your dad's fault he hits you, it's just the alcohol. It's not your moms' fault she spent all the grocery money on some oxicontin, it's the white pills in that little bottle's fault!"
<<NO>>
I'd wanna slap you if I were that kid.

It's that mans' fault for becoming an alcoholic in the first place and not seeking treatment for the reasons he feels he needs to drink. Mom's fault for not biting the bullet and detoxing so her kids don't starve. I've been on the equivalent (prescribed legally by doctors) of a drug 100 times stronger than morphine, for years for a legitimate health reason and I got off the SECOND I wasn't in pain anyore. And I quit cold turkey for reasons far less than my childs' empty stomach. That bitch chooses drugs over her kids, she isn't being held at gunpoint by the pills.
As they say, guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people.
Oh and being a drug addict does NOT make you a thief by default. NOPE. Being a low standard asshole makes you a thief. There's always a choice.

The audience I think you are targeting here, are recreational users. And I disagree with how you are approaching the subject. If you truly lived my life, you would take responsibility for your actions and not blame it on some inanimate pill that isn't even chemically dependent. Even you would have to admit that not everyone ended up like you or your friends did. People break the law because they choose to, not because a pill told them to do it. On the other hand, people do things because a book told them to do it so I'm not going to throw out the possibility that some poor fools empty bag of Percocet told them to rob the pharmacy. Apparently praying to god can become just as addictive as anything else because it too releases serotonin, as well. Alongside with eating, exercising, and masturbation (all of which ARE habit forming) because we're intrinsically habit forming creatures. The thing is, we all have the power within ourselves to overcome any amount of chemical in our brain, and that is what should be your message.

Research suggests that people who used ecstasy at least 25 times had lowered serotonin levels for as long as a year after quitting.

The fact that you refuse to see that addictive drug use vs recreational use of nonaddictive substances is as different as black and white, and refuse to lay the blame where it lies: the people who take them for self medication purposes or the people who let those people spin out of control through inaction or ignorance: That. That is why the drug problem will continue to rise and become an issue. You're ignoring the real issue and fighting the wrong battle, friend. You wanna help? Really truly want to? Then face the true adversary: the reasons people feel so disheartened with life that they'd give up the value of their own. Fight to give those who want a way out of their despondent realities, a true out. Counseling and free mental healthcare would be a good step for those wanting out of their mental realities. Job corps would be a way for those born into drug infested and controlled lives a way out of their poverty. Or fight the misinformation in your own community. Fight the lack of mental and medical care. Fight the real life-altering chemicals like alcohol and heroin. Fight the laws that contribute to this status quo. Fight the social factors like abuse and neglect that inevitably lead to addicts. Fight the economic policies of your society that create an illegal market of jobs as being more viable than the 'straight' life. Fight the government that allows this to take place because they make money fighting it but never overcoming it. Fight anything, but fight something truly worth fighting for.

[thesummerqueen]

I wish I could kudos that a thousand times, missluckie, and so would my boyfriend if he were on this forum.

[Mystical]

I still don't feel like I got my point across though And I said 100 times more potent than morphine and actually it was 1000x more potent than morphine. Aka: Fentanyl. Blah.

[thesummerqueen]

Unfortunately, the suggestions you describe are far too close to socialism for much of this country's voting population to bring into fruition.

[LastPoet]

What is it with all those threads about drugs?