Any questions on Islam?

[Aractus]

The Eastern Orthodox church made similar claims - in fact, they still do. They claim that Isaiah 7:14 originally said "virgin" in the Hebrew, and despite the fact that we have an extant and complete pre-Christ Isaiah Scroll that has exactly the same wording as the Massoretic Text, they still claim the Massorites intentionally modified it! We know that Biblical texts were diligently preserved, to claim otherwise is total insanity. But then Islam is based on the fact that the Bible is true, that it's been totally corrupted and only Muhammad knew the truth. What a load of BS. At any time in the Bible does God ever send a prophet that knows an exclusive truth that's hidden from everybody else? Of course not.

[EGross]

Yeah, I have had this strange בתולה versus עלמה debate more times than I can count. "It should say "Behold, that woman with an intact hymen, and with child no less..."" while ignoring the second half that shows it isn't about the woman, but to have the child as a sign when the war that King Chizkiyahu was fighting will come to an end and he and his kingdom would know peace.

That's the case with all prophecies. It's called "moving the target". Like in Matthew it says a prophecy from Jeremiah, and there is no such prophecy "Well, the Jews deleted it!" or "Well, it says that Jeremiah said it, it didn't say he wrote it!" Puhleese!

"This shit's too weird to make up, so it must be true".

[Zen Badger]

Here you go Mo......

Should apostates from Islam be put to death?

Should women be whipped or stoned as adulterers if they are raped?

Should blasphemers be put to death?

Should women be covered in public and what should their punishment be if they aren't?

Should a man be free to beat his wife for disobedience?

Should homosexuals be executed?

I wish to know what YOU think or believe, not the quaran or some mullah.

Thanks in advance.....

[ideologue08]

Here you go Mo......

Should apostates from Islam be put to death?

Should women be whipped or stoned as adulterers if they are raped?

Should blasphemers be put to death?

Should women be covered in public and what should their punishment be if they aren't?

Should a man be free to beat his wife for disobedience?

Should homosexuals be executed?

I wish to know what YOU think or believe, not the quaran or some mullah.

Thanks in advance.....

Thank you Zen. I'm happy to oblige.

First of all, even though you said you wanted to know what I believe rather than the opinion of some "mullah" or the Qur'an etc, one thing I have to make clear is that as a Muslim who believes in the Qur'an, it is not possible for me to hold views that I believe is false. It's like asking Newton "Despite physics, what do YOU believe causes the earth to rotate about the sun?". As you can see, this question doesn't make sense because Sir Isaac Newton was a physicist, which by definition means accepting principles that have been formulated in Physics. You will not see Richard Dawkins say "I believe in evolution as a fact, however, my OWN opinion is that natural selection is bogus". I hope you understand my point. I'm a Muslim, so automatically my own views are in line with what I believe to be facts and what I have accepted as the truth.

[Zen Badger]

Here you go Mo......

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Should apostates from Islam be put to death?

Should women be whipped or stoned as adulterers if they are raped?

Should blasphemers be put to death?

Should women be covered in public and what should their punishment be if they aren't?

Should a man be free to beat his wife for disobedience?

Should homosexuals be executed?

I wish to know what YOU think or believe, not the quaran or some mullah.

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Thanks in advance.....

Thank you Zen. I'm happy to oblige.

First of all, even though you said you wanted to know what I believe rather than the opinion of some "mullah" or the Qur'an etc, one thing I have to make clear is that as a Muslim who believes in the Qur'an, it is not possible for me to hold views that I believe is false. It's like asking Newton "Despite physics, what do YOU believe causes the earth to rotate about the sun?". As you can see, this question doesn't make sense because Sir Isaac Newton was a physicist, which by definition means accepting principles that have been formulated in Physics. You will not see Richard Dawkins say "I believe in evolution as a fact, however, my OWN opinion is that natural selection is bogus". I hope you understand my point. I'm a Muslim, so automatically my own views are in line with what I believe to be facts and what I have accepted as the truth.

That's nice, now can you please stop dissembling and answer the questions already.

[ideologue08]

Here you go Mo......

Should apostates from Islam be put to death?

Should women be whipped or stoned as adulterers if they are raped?

Should blasphemers be put to death?

Should women be covered in public and what should their punishment be if they aren't?

Should a man be free to beat his wife for disobedience?

Should homosexuals be executed?

I wish to know what YOU think or believe, not the quaran or some mullah.

Thanks in advance.....

1. There is unanimous consensus amongst all Muslim scholars in any era that the punishment for public apostasy (apostasy declared publically) is the death penalty, however, what they differed on is in what situation apostates are killed. The evidence presented is from the narration of Ibn Abbas who said that he heard the Prophet say "whoever changes his religion, kill him". However, the Prophet himself did not kill some apostates or order their killing so some scholars have argued that the killing of apostates is only ordered by an Islamic state in a situation of warfare, where one person's apostasy could compromise his or her allegiance to an Islamic state. Because of the academic nature of this discussion, I hope this answer suffices. I should mention tough, that vigilante justice is not permitted by unanimous consensus, nor is it allowed to execute an apostate who is outside of an Islamic state. In fact, apostates are granted the right to leave if they wish under all circumstances. This discussion is academic though, lots of varied opinions which you can read about.

2. No.

3. Public Blasphemy comes under apostasy if it's done by a Muslim so see the answer to question number one. If a non-Muslim blasphemes publicly, then in a theoretical Islamic state they would be asked to recant. If they refuse, they would be executed.

4. Muslim Women should wear a head cover yes. Non-Muslims are not obliged to wear a head cover. There is no punishment in Islam for refusing to wear a head cover for either a Muslim or a Non-Muslim.

5. A man is allowed to strike her using a toothbrush as a last resort, but then again, women are allowed to dissolve the marriage (called khula') if they aren't happy with the man as it states in the Qur'an. Again, details are a bit academic here, with plenty of hadiths. In general, men who resort to striking women are the worst of men as the Prophet himself said and it usually ends in divorce.

6. Homosexuality in and of itself is not a sin. A homosexual who lives in an Islamic state, and engages in sodomy is not treated any differently to heterosexuals who engage in sexual intercourse either before or during marriage (extra-marital). So if a homosexual who isn't married has sodomy (there must be penetration) in front of four witnesses then they are flogged. If a married homosexual is caught having sex by 4 witnesses then they are executed, just as heterosexual adulterers would be executed as long as there are 4 witnesses.

[Mystic]

Mine is this: Do you think the responses in Quran regarding the objection of disbelievers towards miracles not being sent were logical?

[ideologue08]

Mine is this: Do you think the responses in Quran regarding the objection of disbelievers towards miracles not being sent were logical?

Could you elaborate? What responses are you referring to?

[Mystic]

Mine is this: Do you think the responses in Quran regarding the objection of disbelievers towards miracles not being sent were logical?

Could you elaborate? What responses are you referring to?

17:59 is the main one with a direct response that seems illogical to me.

Then you have other responses with what seems to me to be red herrings: 21:5-6, 13:7, 10:20, 6:109-111.

[ideologue08]

Could you elaborate? What responses are you referring to?

17:59 is the main one with a direct response that seems illogical to me.

Then you have other responses with what seems to me to be red herrings: 21:5-6, 13:7, 10:20, 6:109-111.

17:59 is regarding the occasions when the Arab idol worshippers demanded miracles, the verse is alluding to the fact that God doesn't provide it whenever thet wish, but plenty of miracles were in given to them, but not at a time of their choosing.

They aren't red herrings lol the verses are saying that they are not in charge of choosing the time of the miracles. They will get it, but whenever God wants.