Mother Theresa - Servant of the Devil?

[jstrodel]

I remember when The Nation kicked out Christopher Hitchens because he was against the war. What a bunch of free speech loving, tolerant, liberal progressives they are!

[Mystical]

...here's some facts for y'all:

No anti here is interested in any GOOD MT has done!

That wouldn't support their agenda of continual crucifixion and chaos!

Awwww I got all excited about you providing some facts!

--then I scrolled down.

typical.

[Cyberman]

Who here is the better person in deeds, and able to judge Mother Teresa of Calcutta?

Merely from the perspective of collective humanity, we all should.

[Esquilax]

This is what I think happened. Mother Theresa was a flawed individual. Figures like Christopher Hitchens, who are themselves very spiritually immature and like to play on peoples sense of breaking away from tradition, of hearing a sort of rebellious, iconoclastic message which sells books and who do not want to have anyone put a moral authority over them set out to discredit Mother Theresa in any way possible.

I like it: you're given clear, factual evidence that something is true, but because it doesn't fit in with your internalized narrative of atheists being dishonest and waging a hate campaign against religion, those facts must just be a malicious smear.

It's only becoming clearer the more you post that in your mind, what Strodel wants to be true is more important than the actual facts.

[jstrodel]

I just said she was a flawed individual. You want me to believe that mother therese spent her life in Calcutta in the slums because she wanted to get rich or famous?

[Esquilax]

I just said she was a flawed individual. You want me to believe that mother therese spent her life in Calcutta in the slums because she wanted to get rich or famous?

No, I'd like you to believe the truth: that she spent her life in the slums of Calcutta because her religion had warped her beliefs to the point where she venerated suffering and she cultivated her life around the idea of sacrifice for god. I'd like you to believe the actual, factual accounts of what's happened, without twisting them into some calculated smear campaign in order to benefit the atheist movement.

Not everything that you disagree with is a direct attack against the things you do agree with.

[jstrodel]

You don't think the campaign to discredit mother theresa is a direct attack against religion? Whatever.

[Esquilax]

You don't think the campaign to discredit mother theresa is a direct attack against religion? Whatever.

I think the facts don't have an agenda, Strodel.

I do, however, think that bringing those facts to light and pointing out that they don't at all match up with the narrative that the church is advancing in order to increase its power is a noble thing to do. Aren't you concerned about a religious organization lying to its congregation for its own benefit? I would have thought you'd be against falsehoods of all kinds, or does religion get a special exemption from you?

[Anomalocaris]

I just said she was a flawed individual. You want me to believe that mother therese spent her life in Calcutta in the slums because she wanted to get rich or famous?

No, she spent her life in calcutta because that is where she can best unite the fulfillment of her three deepest deviant desires:
1. Watching human suffering in flesh and blood for inner gratification
2. To be seen as entitled to be holier than thou
3. To think she would receive everlasting rewards for 1 and 2.

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You don't think the campaign to discredit mother theresa is a direct attack against religion? Whatever.

Any thoroughgoing investigation of facts and exploration of their interplay, whether in science, history, or sociology, is perforce an attack against all religion.

[Mystical]

You don't think the campaign to discredit mother theresa is a direct attack against religion? Whatever.

I think that some do use it as an attack against religion, for obvious reasons. She was the shining example of hers, and professed to be, and advertised herself as such, was Sainted by the Vatican/authority of her religion as a person FOR Sure going to heaven, etc.
That doesn't matter so much though. I don't really care about that. I think it's funny, for sure, but I don't care about those aspects as much as I care about
the poor dimented old lady that was tied to a tree with a chain/rope every day for the rest of her life. Or the sick and dying living in squalid conditions with no medical care for NO FUCKing reason other than they had no where else to go. If you're going to provide a hospice service, and take money for it, best use that money for the hospice service you get me? I'm more concerned with MT's political campaigns and how they affected society. I'm more concerned with where her money went because it's becoming quite obvious, she was a conman anointed by the church. A church I consider to be a cult.
I'm more concerned with her lies and the need for them. Just like I would be for a political figure.

Personally, I don't care if she was Buddah himself (who btw I found some interesting stuff about too but he doesn't have billions of followers, nor are his followers computer accessible).

I want myself and those around me to know the truth, whatever it may be.
I may be biased against Catholicism, but that's for a reason, buddy.