Mother Theresa - Servant of the Devil?

[Cyberman]

I've written elsewhere that I don't fear my own death, providing it's not painful or embarrassing. In fact I very nearly bled to death in hospital last October and the thought doesn't bother me; in many ways I wish I had. My only concerns are for those I leave behind, I have none at all for myself.

[Something completely different]

Ok....let me make it atheistically simple for you. Where is the proof?

For what?

they "watched"?!

and....feeding, clothing and housing the poor and sick isn't combating poverty??????!!!! What country/planet are you from again? Do you know even know who Mother Theresa is?!

Do you even have the slightest clue about charety and the mechanisms which effectively combat poverty?!

It`s a functioning economy and investments - where theres jobs there is wealth - where theres wealth theres peace.
The most successfull projects against poverty comes through investments into inferstructure and privat buisnesess.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, learn him to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life.

Theresa did nothing to effectively combat poverty, as nice as it is to give away free food and clothes - it will never effectively combat poverty aslong as those in need cannot earn themselves.

"would" help them? but... there's none in your neighborhood. Your car is on the blink...you'll be out of town that week....youre sick with a cold...etc?

What the fuck were these randomnly asigned words about? do they actualy have a meaning?

I know your intuition and/or comprehension is lacking so I'll spell it out for you...

I wonder how you would react if I would write nonsence in german language? you lack the required grey cells to write a understandable text.

Mother Teresa did more for the sick & poor in ONE DAY than YOU or a population of others including myself, has done in decades!

I payed the schoolfees for a nigerian kid through a project when I was about 16.
The kid has an education and will thereby have the means to provide for himself in the future.

Thereby I have done more for the poor than mother theresa and you ever did, who seem to somehow like the concept of keeping poverty in existance so you can be "charitable" by hading out free consumer products.

So, pick on a better target for your pompous self righteousness rants. Unless you have "proof" in any form of that heresay, its lies!

pfff.

Mrorn, I pointed out why your prophet of rambling, anti abortion and advocat of drunk men beatingtheir wifes dead - didnt do anything to combat poverty but to rather keep it in existance.

Combating poverty means to combat it in a way which lets the poor rise into the middle class and provide for themselves so they no longer have to beg.

Do you understand that concept DERP?

Handouts are useless without when they cannot lift an individual out of the state of needing a handout.


And the word heresy can stay in medieval times! together with YOU!

[Mystical]

Mother Teresa did more for the sick & poor in ONE DAY than YOU or a population of others including myself, has done in decades!

I've wiped elderly butts, I've truly cared for blind/deaf/mute patients as a volunteer with my mom, who does it for a living. And I can certainly say that tying them to a bed or letting them sit in their own filth on a cot is not compassion in the slightest. Nor are clothes more important than being treated with dignity.
Every day of my life I try to intervene and make peoples' lives better. Just this year I helped my neighbor kick a heroin addiction and now he's doing wonderfully. My best friend from childhood and her husband was on meth and I told her family so she could get help and she's fine now, gettin married and her daughter is doing much better. I help my sister on a daily basis raise her two children, I talk to people on the PTSD forum if they need it, I help my friend whose a single mom all the time, I do good every day one thing at a time. Added up over years, I'm happy with the impact my life has made on this earth. Are you?

So, pick on a better target for your pompous self righteousness rants. Unless you have "proof" in any form of that heresay, its lies!

What are you saying here? I can't understand what you're saying. Is this english?

But, lets be real here for a moment. This isn't about getting facts about anything. This is about defaming Christians, and Catholics in particular.

No one really needs to defame em, they do that job themselves. If you think I'm wrong for simply acknowledging
it, then I'd say you're the one livin in denial for not acknowledging the obvious.
Let's be real here for a second: this isn't about who did what, I don't care if you're christian, muslim, catholic, buddhist, a witch: it's about living life with your eyes wide open--not slitted so you can't see the detail.
Translation: you don't want the truth. That would mean you gotta change your profile picture. Oh
and face mortality without having a mansion at the end of the tunnel or someone to pat you
on the back for a job well done.

Speaking of mortality..

But.... you see (in your mirror), you don't really care about anything more than your own fear and anger about death. That's the real truth.

The real truth, Miss, is that I have been on the brink of death. Many times. I entered that ground as one of gods' best daughters, and I can't tell you how fucking frightening it is, to face what I faced, wondering where my father was and why he wasn't there when I needed him. Out of all the experiences of my life, that was one he should've shown up for. Any question in my mind as to whether he was just choosing not to show himself or whether he was not showing himself because he didn't exist: vanished. I didn't feel him, he wasn't there, and it made me wonder who exactly I'd been praying to for my entire life and I realized then and there that I could very well have been praying to air. Sitting in your own shit and choking on your own vomit, knowing you aren't leaving that room while the four walls around you become the last thing you know you'll see--and that you are living your last minutes: That. That'll make you think twice about where you're going. All those little 'signs' in life show themselves for what they are: just life events. Nothing special. It'll pull you outta that cloud and smack you right down on the earth on your own two feet.
When I was a Christian (which wasn't even a year ago as I did wait years for him to answer my questions),
I feared death greatly. Mostly for others, but for me too. My mom always told me as I got sicker and sicker, that god would hold me in his arms and that it's possible death is just painless and we fear it for no reason. Boy was she wrong. Granted, I didn't die. But I did see my life pretty clearly in those moments, down to the bare bones. All those years, all those prayers. I realized that every single 'answer' I ever got could've just been life, and none of them were even answers at all unless I rationalized them to be. In the end, I was able to look at my whole life and realize that he wasn't carrying me. He wasn't even there the whole time. My entire life was just a bunch of pain and suffering and praying and waiting. It took months to shake the emptiness, years to digest that he wasn't going to answer because he wasn't there. Years to admit that I had hit a dead end and needed to retrace my steps and get rid of all the extra crap I'd encorporated into my existance.
Now I don't fear death, because I know whose gonna be there for it. Me. There's no question in my mind that I need to prepare myself to die alone because that's how we die: alone. I know it's a scary thought for you as is the prospect of no afterlife. I've faced both concepts and now I don't fear for my family when they go out in their car. I don't obsess needlessly over the state of their salvation--or mine. I don't fret over what will happen if the rollercoaster crashes: if it does it does. I'll be happy knowing that every moment I've lived has meant something, to me and those I love. And they'll die eventually too, it's just how things go. I'm not traumatized over it anymore. If there is anything after death I'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if it's hell, because at least I'll get to look him straight in the eye at my judgement with a clear conscious and tell him he's wrong. And I'd be quite right. And don't kid yourself, I don't believe that will ever happen. You know why? Because the god of the bible the god you worship: doesn't exist for the mere fact that we exist, as we do. If you want a breakdown I'll give it, but I'm not going to take up any more of this thread than I am already.

[Brian37]

Life after I die will be the same as it was for me before I was born.

[Esquilax]

But, lets be real here for a moment. This isn't about getting facts about anything. This is about defaming Christians, and Catholics in particular.

Gotta love that legendary christian persecution complex! What a fantastic way of never having to meet your detractors on even mental ground and let their arguments penetrate your consciousness to the point that you'd need to consider them.

Oh, incidentally, and sorry to introduce a new topic right now but I'm really feeling the need to shut this guy up, if the catholics are such wonderful people and we atheists are all just terrible bullies, would you mind explaining the proportionally larger number of catholics in prison vs catholics in the population? I can provide statistical backup if you like, but it really does seem to fly in the face of the image you're trying to convey.

The real truth, Miss, is that I have been on the brink of death. Many times. I entered that ground as one of gods' best daughters, and I can't tell you how fucking frightening it is, to face what I faced, wondering where my father was and why he wasn't there when I needed him. Out of all the experiences of my life, that was one he should've shown up for. Any question in my mind as to whether he was just choosing not to show himself or whether he was not showing himself because he didn't exist: vanished. I didn't feel him, he wasn't there, and it made me wonder who exactly I'd been praying to for my entire life and I realized then and there that I could very well have been praying to air. Sitting in your own shit and choking on your own vomit, knowing you aren't leaving that room while the four walls around you become the last thing you know you'll see--and that you are living your last minutes: That. That'll make you think twice about where you're going. All those little 'signs' in life show themselves for what they are: just life events. Nothing special. It'll pull you outta that cloud and smack you right down on the earth on your own two feet.

I wanna take a moment to say that whenever you start talking about those days, it always makes me want to give you the biggest damn hug. Just thought I'd put that out there.

[ronedee]

But, lets be real here for a moment. This isn't about getting facts about anything. This is about defaming Christians, and Catholics in particular.

Gotta love that legendary christian persecution complex! What a fantastic way of never having to meet your detractors on even mental ground and let their arguments penetrate your consciousness to the point that you'd need to consider them.

Oh, incidentally, and sorry to introduce a new topic right now but I'm really feeling the need to shut this guy up, if the catholics are such wonderful people and we atheists are all just terrible bullies, would you mind explaining the proportionally larger number of catholics in prison vs catholics in the population? I can provide statistical backup if you like, but it really does seem to fly in the face of the image you're trying to convey.

LOL! Nice try meesta stats.... How many of those are practicing Catholics? 1...2? No, I think not! Most prisoners now call themselves Muslims....and I bet you don't have a clue why...mister shut-me-up smarty pants? Google your ass off and you won't find the real answer! I might even tell you...after a while.

Speaking of which....Here's a "non-practicing catholic turned atheist" actually talking good about MT!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-ow...=webmail38

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......... I'll be happy knowing that every moment I've lived has meant something, to me and those I love. And they'll die eventually too, it's just how things go. I'm not traumatized over it anymore. If there is anything after death I'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if it's hell, because at least I'll get to look him straight in the eye at my judgement with a clear conscious and tell him he's wrong. And I'd be quite right. And don't kid yourself, I don't believe that will ever happen. You know why? Because the god of the bible the god you worship: doesn't exist for the mere fact that we exist, as we do. If you want a breakdown I'll give it, but I'm not going to take up any more of this thread than I am already.

I wasn't talking to you but...I've taken account of your feelings! I'll pray for you. I think you have many "good" Christian attributes including LOVE for others.... You just need to have some love for God, and yourself.

...btw, I won't be changing my avatar of MT...she is still miles away better than me or anyone I know!

Ron

[sykedout]

"And it is interesting how catholics are ok with an abusive husband beating and raping his wife."

Who said Catholics were okay with an abusive husband beating and raping his wife? I'm not sure which confuses me more, that you say a group of people permits these atrocities to happen, or that you categorized all Catholics as accepting wife-beaters...

[Something completely different]

"And it is interesting how catholics are ok with an abusive husband beating and raping his wife."

Who said Catholics were okay with an abusive husband beating and raping his wife? I'm not sure which confuses me more, that you say a group of people permits these atrocities to happen, or that you categorized all Catholics as accepting wife-beaters...

so why does your church prohibit divorce?

[Esquilax]

LOL! Nice try meesta stats.... How many of those are practicing Catholics? 1...2? No, I think not! Most prisoners now call themselves Muslims....and I bet you don't have a clue why...mister shut-me-up smarty pants? Google your ass off and you won't find the real answer! I might even tell you...after a while.

Perhaps I won't find your answer, but I do know why: you made it up.

However, let's talk stats, and bear in mind when I say this, I'm going by what the prisoners themselves identified as: according to the federal bureau of prisons, the religious occupy a proportionally higher percentage of the prison population than the general population, and this is also true of Catholics as a denomination. Meanwhile, for contrast, in terms of atheists, the results are reversed; nonbelievers are proportionally lower in prison than they are in the outside world. You can look all this up, too.

Oh, and since you've already thrown out a no true scotsman, let me add this: you don't get to decide what people believe. Your opinions on the religious practices of others and whether that makes them real catholics or not means approximately jack shit. Your lack of an imprimatur doesn't somehow suck all the religion out of a person.

[Mystical]

I wasn't talking to you but...I've taken account of your feelings! I'll pray for you. I think you have many "good" Christian attributes including LOVE for others.... You just need to have some love for God, and yourself.

...btw, I won't be changing my avatar of MT...she is still miles away better than me or anyone I know!

Ron

Forgive me for callin you a Miss, mister Ron. You were speaking to me because your sweeping generalizations about athiests, included me too. Pray for me if you wish. Seems like a waste of your time to me but hey. And for the record, I do love myself more now than before. Losing an affectation of love from an unknown unseen unheard entity did not cause my self worth to go down. Moreover, it went up. Because no one's will is more important than mine. I lived a lifetime being held down by my own beliefs on women, finances, health, happiness, whom I should marry, and my families representations of the bibe on how to live ones life. I didn't have an ounce of self-confidence until I freed myself of it, by freeing myself of this idea of the authority that sets everything in that sociality in motion. My confidence is built back up every day because life now isn't clouded in rules that I had to abide by in fear of eternal damnation. If my will says who gives a flying hoot if some guy wants to marry another guy: I don't have any fictitious reasoning holding me back from doing what's right. I feel good about myself because I get to actually do what is right by those around me--not for a reward, after life but a reward on this earth in my own heart. I don't have to temper my own beliefs on a matter with the age old ones of the bible, most of which I disagreed with anyways. I support the religious in my life, if that's what makes them happy than so be it. But you best believe that if the church they give their tithes to turned out to have pedophiles at every priory or if their missionaries were hoarding offerings and not using them for what they were meant to be used for: they would not continue supporting such an institution, nor would they display proudly the pictures of these people proudly without remorse or responsibility.