Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

[catfish]

Wow, you're messed up too...

What's messed up about it?

If you don't see it now, you may never see it. I will try to illustrate it to make my perception clearer to you.

1. You support a woman's right to choose (her body and all that), for any reason if you really want to support her right to choose. She can choose to abort because she doesn't want stretchmarks, wants to keep partying, wants to goto college, whatever... Right?

2. You think it's immoral for her to choose which sex child she wants.

You have no problem with killing a human lifeform (I consider it human at fertilization), but you do have a problem with her choice that you think promotes sexism...
Do I understand your position correctly?

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WTF? Homosexuality shouldn't be prevented but life should(could)?!?!?
You're seriously messed up girl...
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Don't call me girl or I will follow you around this forum calling you cockface, dickhead. Your hyperbole skips right over the main issues with both topics. If you care to pull your panties out of your twat and have a grown-up conversation, I will be waiting, boy.

I don't think you're capable of having a "grown-up" conversation. You're welcome to follow me around and prove it if you like.

[genkaus]

If you don't see it now, you may never see it.

The motto of people who can't justify their position everywhere.

I will try to illustrate it to make my perception clearer to you.

1. You support a woman's right to choose (her body and all that), for any reason if you really want to support her right to choose. She can choose to abort because she doesn't want stretchmarks, wants to keep partying, wants to goto college, whatever... Right?

No. There are some reasons I would considers immoral, others moral and yet others amoral. But yes, I would support her right to choose - even if I don't support her choice.

2. You think it's immoral for her to choose which sex child she wants.

Perfectly consistent with what I said earlier.

You have no problem with killing a human lifeform (I consider it human at fertilization), but you do have a problem with her choice that you think promotes sexism...
Do I understand your position correctly?

As long as you understand that you considering it a human at fertilization is your subjective opinion and not a fact.

[catfish]

As long as you understand that you considering it a human at fertilization is your subjective opinion and not a fact.

I understand perfectly. As long as you understand that I think you're morally bankrupt for supporting killing an unborn baby yet object to a person's reason for doing so...
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[Esquilax]

If you don't see it now, you may never see it. I will try to illustrate it to make my perception clearer to you.

1. You support a woman's right to choose (her body and all that), for any reason if you really want to support her right to choose. She can choose to abort because she doesn't want stretchmarks, wants to keep partying, wants to goto college, whatever... Right?

2. You think it's immoral for her to choose which sex child she wants.

You have no problem with killing a human lifeform (I consider it human at fertilization), but you do have a problem with her choice that you think promotes sexism...
Do I understand your position correctly?

Do you seriously not understand how a person can hold a position and still not like everything that position entails? I believe I've used this example before, but it's like how I'm an ardent supporter of free speech while simultaneously disliking that it means the westboro baptist church can... do their whole thing. There's nothing contradictory about that.

And yeah, it's immoral to abort based on gender, because that implies that there's a preferred gender to be had and enforces misogyny. However, I'm adult enough to recognize that this is a position that I hold and not one that should be forced upon women everywhere. I understand that my beliefs are not the be all and end all of human experience, and that living in a free country means that others are allowed to hold to beliefs different to mine and that I have no right to enforce my beliefs over others.

[genkaus]

I understand perfectly. As long as you understand that I think you're morally bankrupt for supporting killing an unborn baby yet object to a person's reason for doing so...
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Good thing your opinion mean nothing. Otherwise I'd be really hurt.

[catfish]

Maybe I should ask you guys what are morally acceptable reasons to abort?
I agree with when there's the possibility of danger to the mother and in cases of rape, but what other "morally acceptable" reasons can you think of?
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[genkaus]

Maybe I should ask you guys what are morally acceptable reasons to abort?

She does not want a life with children in it.

[catfish]

Maybe I should ask you guys what are morally acceptable reasons to abort?

She does not want a life with children in it.

Yet you object if she doesn't want a life with a son (or daughter)???

[genkaus]

She does not want a life with children in it.

Yet you object if she doesn't want a life with a son (or daughter)???

No, but that's not the rationale behind sex-selection.

[Esquilax]

Yet you object if she doesn't want a life with a son (or daughter)???

What needs to be explained, apparently, is that disapproving is not the same as objecting. I can disapprove of something without demanding that it be outright banned, as I stated above. What is the point you're trying to get at, here? Where is the contradiction you're trying to show?