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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:18 am
And what species fetus?
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March 12, 2013 at 12:20 am
(March 12, 2013 at 12:18 am)catfish Wrote: And what species fetus?

Depends on the definition of species you use.
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March 12, 2013 at 12:23 am
Hoops, your favorite activity... Undecided
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March 12, 2013 at 12:24 am
(March 12, 2013 at 12:23 am)catfish Wrote: Hoops, your favorite activity... Undecided

And?
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March 12, 2013 at 12:28 am
No "and"...

It's funny as Hades though... lol Smile
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 1:03 am
(March 12, 2013 at 12:28 am)catfish Wrote: No "and"...

It's funny as Hades though... lol Smile

So, in conclusion, you haven't even been able to justify why a fetus should be considered an "individual human", let alone why it should be afforded any rights or why those rights should supersede those of the mother's. So, you can't even justify why abortion is immoral, much less why it should be illegal.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am
(March 12, 2013 at 1:03 am)genkaus Wrote:
(March 12, 2013 at 12:28 am)catfish Wrote: No "and"...

It's funny as Hades though... lol Smile

So, in conclusion, you haven't even been able to justify why a fetus should be considered an "individual human", let alone why it should be afforded any rights or why those rights should supersede those of the mother's. So, you can't even justify why abortion is immoral, much less why it should be illegal.

I don't have to "justify" anything. I had to show that you claiming the moral highground against the selection of sex was weird and illogical...

1. You refuse to acknowledge the individuality of a fetus or zygote.
2. Someone in this thread actually supported abortion up to the momemnt of birth.
3. You equate a fetus as being no more important than a hair.
4. You don't object to hair selection by color.
5. By your logic, a woman could abort based on color, but not sex.

It's just plain weird... Undecided
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March 12, 2013 at 1:12 am
afoetusisnotafuckingbaby!
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 1:14 am
(March 12, 2013 at 1:12 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: afoetusisnotafuckingbaby!

What is it then?
And why should anyone have a moral objection against a woman's choice for abortion if a fetus isn't a baby?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 1:20 am
(March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am)catfish Wrote: I don't have to "justify" anything.

You do if you want anyone to legislate against it.

(March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am)catfish Wrote: I had to show that you claiming the moral highground against the selection of sex was weird and illogical...

Something you haven't even addressed beyond repeatedly saying "that's messed up".

(March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am)catfish Wrote: 1. You refuse to acknowledge the individuality of a fetus or zygote.

No, I acknowledge that it has individual DNA. But that doesn't make it an individual human.

(March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am)catfish Wrote: 2. Someone in this thread actually supported abortion up to the momemnt of birth.

And...

(March 12, 2013 at 1:10 am)catfish Wrote: 3. You equate a fetus as being no more important than a hair.
4. You don't object to hair selection by color.
5. By your logic, a woman could abort based on color, but not sex.

By my logic, a woman could abort on basis of color or sex. Its up to her. But if the basis of her choice is immoral, then her choice is immoral.
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