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Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
(March 13, 2013 at 8:24 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Her body...her choice.

why should this offend male religious persons?

I think you just answered your own question. They want it to be her body... their choice.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
It does not answer WHY males should be concerned about her choice.

Other than the supposition that males are nothing but control freaks and should be strangle at birth?
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Re: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
I think it really is about men who are scared of women having any kind of power that they don't have. Not for everyone, but I suspect there'd be a pattern if you asked them how they'd feel if their female partner had a better job or earned more than them, or how they feel about a female boss.
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Never write down to malice what can be explained by ignorance or indifference ladies.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
(March 12, 2013 at 10:28 am)catfish Wrote: If we're talking about cells, then that makes it a religious argument... Undecided

Seriously though, have I not been clear?
Is "zygote/fetus = human (individual)" ambiguous in some way that I'm not aware of? What am I missing here?

A foetus is human but not an individual. It is entirely dependent on another person's body for it's life support. Moreover such putative rights as a foetus has do not outweigh the rights of the actual individual carrying it.
Marcellus (approx. A.D. 298)

“I threw down my arms for it was not seemly that a Christian man, who renders military service to the Lord Christ, should render it by earthly injuries.” “It is not lawful for a Christian to bear arms for any earthly consideration.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
(March 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm)kiwimac Wrote:
(March 12, 2013 at 10:28 am)catfish Wrote: If we're talking about cells, then that makes it a religious argument... Undecided

Seriously though, have I not been clear?
Is "zygote/fetus = human (individual)" ambiguous in some way that I'm not aware of? What am I missing here?

A foetus is human but not an individual. It is entirely dependent on another person's body for it's life support. Moreover such putative rights as a foetus has do not outweigh the rights of the actual individual carrying it.

I would like to ask you and every other person in opposition to abortion, how you contribute to creating a sociaty in which a mother or father can have a amily or be a single mum or dad without facing finacial ruin.

One reason why abortion was legalised under a leftwing goverment here, was due to the social stigmatising which single mums received from conservatives.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
(March 13, 2013 at 9:51 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I think it really is about men who are scared of women having any kind of power that they don't have. Not for everyone, but I suspect there'd be a pattern if you asked them how they'd feel if their female partner had a better job or earned more than them, or how they feel about a female boss.
Have you noticed that those who have power, hold onto it desperately, believing others will take it away from them, and obsess over this? For example, the extremely wealthy will do whatever it takes to evade taxes. Well, men are in power in our world, and they want to keep it that way. Women who go along with this are unfortunately submitting themselves to the system. Power isn't as important to women, because they are used to not having as much.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
No, this is about dumbfucks who think it's OK to kill a human unless the reason is because it's a girl. (fucking hypocrites)
If it's no more than a parasite with less status than a hair, you have no excuse for claiming the moral high ground and judging anyone's reason.

The best excuses brought up were "it isn't the same life" and "it isn't human"... Undecided
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
(March 13, 2013 at 2:57 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:
(March 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm)kiwimac Wrote: A foetus is human but not an individual. It is entirely dependent on another person's body for it's life support. Moreover such putative rights as a foetus has do not outweigh the rights of the actual individual carrying it.

I would like to ask you and every other person in opposition to abortion, how you contribute to creating a sociaty in which a mother or father can have a amily or be a single mum or dad without facing finacial ruin.

One reason why abortion was legalised under a leftwing goverment here, was due to the social stigmatising which single mums received from conservatives.

I do not oppose abortion rights for women.
Marcellus (approx. A.D. 298)

“I threw down my arms for it was not seemly that a Christian man, who renders military service to the Lord Christ, should render it by earthly injuries.” “It is not lawful for a Christian to bear arms for any earthly consideration.
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(March 12, 2013 at 9:15 pm)catfish Wrote: It's still a human, no matter what adjective you attach to it.

Irrelevant to the fact that you used a really shitty analogy.

(March 13, 2013 at 9:51 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I think it really is about men who are scared of women having any kind of power that they don't have. Not for everyone, but I suspect there'd be a pattern if you asked them how they'd feel if their female partner had a better job or earned more than them, or how they feel about a female boss.

Ick.
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