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Are you for or against the separation of church and state?

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Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:14 am
What was the 'point' in whatever god it is you worship creating humanity...or anything at all?
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:22 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:09 am)Undeceived Wrote: Sin/evil refers to a bad relationship between two (possibly good) things. Please explain to me how one creates such a relationship. I can see how it is possible to create the capacity or choice for such a relationship, but the relationship itself?

That's your definition of sin, not a universal one. Some disagree with you.

Beyond that, if you've got a god responsible for the creation of everything that exists, then by necessity he created sin even if it is a conceptual thing. If he created the capacity for sin to occur then he's responsible for it when it does; if I leave my child alone with a knife I'll be held responsible if he harms himself, no?

If sin is so antithetical to god, it's weird to me that he'd allow it to exist in the first place, but that's beside the point; the choice is still binary. Either sin exists via a conscious choice or set of choices that god made, making it his deal, or it came about without the input of god at all, in which case it's something from nothing.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:29 am (This post was last modified: April 24, 2013 at 4:30 am by Violet.)
(April 24, 2013 at 4:09 am)Undeceived Wrote: Sin/evil refers to a bad relationship between two (possibly good) things. Please explain to me how one creates such a relationship. I can see how it is possible to create the capacity or choice for such a relationship, but the relationship itself?

Ahhh, I see you're an atheist. What a senseless waste of human life Sleepy

And I disagree as to what sin/evil refers to, and no: they are not the same thing. It might be a sin to wear those shoes with that shirt... but it certainly isn't evil. Harboring a banana in your house is evil, but it certainly isn't a sin.

I mean... you're welcome to argue down your version of sin and evil as much as you want, and as defined, I might even be with you (i'm not, but it's not relevant). I don't intend to be party to such nonsense, myself Angel
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:32 am
Wait, what? Are you suggesting that I'm harboring a bunch (yuk yuk) of fugitives in my fruit bowl?!?!?
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:37 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:22 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 24, 2013 at 4:09 am)Undeceived Wrote: Sin/evil refers to a bad relationship between two (possibly good) things. Please explain to me how one creates such a relationship. I can see how it is possible to create the capacity or choice for such a relationship, but the relationship itself?
Beyond that, if you've got a god responsible for the creation of everything that exists, then by necessity he created sin even if it is a conceptual thing. If he created the capacity for sin to occur then he's responsible for it when it does;
We went from talking about God's creating evil to Him being responsible for it. It seems we're in agreement, then, that God need not contain evil for evil to exist, and that sin need not come from outside the universe. It remains a possibility that God is perfectly good. Of course you can still blame Him for evil, but only to the degree that you blame a teacher for letting her students get Fs when they don't study--it's still humanity's fault.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:37 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:32 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Wait, what? Are you suggesting that I'm harboring a bunch (yuk yuk) of fugitives in my fruit bowl?!?!?

I should certainly hope you aren't 0.o Why would you even think that letting them into your house was a good idea?! Panic
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:39 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:37 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:
(April 24, 2013 at 4:32 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Wait, what? Are you suggesting that I'm harboring a bunch (yuk yuk) of fugitives in my fruit bowl?!?!?

I should certainly hope you aren't 0.o Why would you even think that letting them into your house was a good idea?! Panic

They were on sale, of course.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:41 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:39 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: They were on sale, of course.

So... not only did you invite a bunch of criminals into your house... you were conned into buying them as slaves?! Confused Fall
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:43 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:41 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:
(April 24, 2013 at 4:39 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: They were on sale, of course.

So... not only did you invite a bunch of criminals into your house... you were conned into buying them as slaves?! Confused Fall

Well, no, I was planning on eating them actually.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
April 24, 2013 at 4:45 am
(April 24, 2013 at 4:43 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Well, no, I was planning on eating them actually.

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