Just another nut?

[CapnAwesome]

Welcome. The bible was written in several languages centuries apart from one another by different people. It seems unlike there would be a code in it.

[thesummerqueen]

You're still not laying out why you think there's a code and what it is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fun with verses from random places

From Landscape Plants
Their Identification, Culture, and Use
(Ferrell M. Bridwell-Delmar publishers)

Evergreen Ground Covers, Rosa Pimpinellifolia (pg73-section 2)
"COMPOUND, 5 to 9 leaflets, 1/2" to 3/4" long and 1/3" to 1/2" wide, leaflets ovate with serrated margins, ALTERNATE arrangement. Stems may have canes or spines."

You're welcome.

[thesummerqueen]

You find that one useful?

[swordwords]

If I am right, then not only is this one of the greatest secrets in the world, but it also suggests that it may be possible to actually prove that Christianity and other religions are frauds.

You needed a system of secret codes to figure that out?

It is easy to form that opinion that Christianity is a fraud if you have an open mind, but most would argue that actual proof is more difficult to come by. Many defenders of religion say that you "Cannot prove a negative" so my approach is not an attempt to prove what Christ isn't; it is to prove what he is-a personification of the "Word".

[Tonus]

Many defenders of religion say that you "Cannot prove a negative" so my approach is not an attempt to prove what Christ isn't; it is to prove what he is-a personification of the "Word".

Well, heck... The Trashmen figured that one out back in '63.

[pocaracas]

Is this the code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

[JesusHChrist]

Are the Hasidic Jews involved?

[Tex]

Where do the aliens come into play?

[swordwords]

Is this the code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

No, I view that one as a red herring.

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You're still not laying out why you think there's a code and what it is.

Well, I don't think an introduction thread is the right place to get into details, but I can sort of summarize how the code works. First of all, all real world ideas can be expressed with multiple metaphors, many of which are linked together through phonetic similarities in either Hebrew or Greek. (I first came across this idea in Plato’s Cratylus.) For example, the Hebrew word for “name” is “shem” and a couple of metaphors that express this idea are “sun” (H. shemesh) and “oil” (H. shemen). Thus you can be “blinded” by the “sun” (i.e. John Carpenter’s They Live) when an object has been “anointed” or “christened” with a name. If you are familiar with Kabbalah, then you may have seen a similar game played with the explanation of the word “Sefirah” in which the Hebrew words “sefer”, sippur, sappir, separ, and safra are all included in the meaning. Kabbalah is all about this code, but some red herrings have also been thrown in as a distraction (i.e. Atbash cipher, Gematria). Some Old Testament books such as Song of Solomon are actually intended to serve as a sort of thesaurus that links metaphors with other metaphors. This wide variety of metaphors means that there can be a multitude of “correct” interpretations, but only one will be correct for the real world.

The code also relies heavily on allusions that generally help to provide a context. (Establishing a context is important because literal time and place elements are distorted due to allegoric requirements.) These allusions often are in the form of “parallels”. Many of these parallels are easily seen even by the literal reader, but they can also be masked so that a house with a hole in the roof might represent a hippodrome or moving trees might be intended to suggest a fleet of sailing ships. Sometimes it will be an “error” or “contradiction” that will help to complete an allusion, which is why these have been carefully preserved. A significant number of allusions in the New Testament identify passages from the works of the Jewish historian Josephus as source material and once you know the “Satan” behind Christ, it becomes easier to put the pieces together. Other allusions point to the Old Testament, Plato, Josephus’ contemporaries, Philo, Greek mythology, and undoubtedly other sources that I have not yet identified.

You can also think of the allegory as dualistic, just like many religions, with the “above” representing the literal meanings and the “good” with the “below” representing hidden meanings and things “evil”. If you follow the logic that this suggests, you can discern the real meaning of some religious concepts without much effort. For example, “eternal life” is associated with “heaven” and therefore suggests that the “good” might have their history preserved in literal writing. The “evil” ones are condemned to the “underworld”.
Since literal time is irrelevant in allegory, and there is such a wide variety of metaphors for each real world idea, we are often fed the same story again and again without realizing it. This retelling of the same story is sometimes accomplished through the “grafting of vines” in which history from one time period is merged into the literal history of another time period. For example many of the events related to Christ’s story are actually an allegoric retelling of events that took place during the so-called Jewish Revolt of 66-70CE. This practice also frequently involves “reincarnation” where a historic character is renamed (with an appropriate metaphor) and transplanted into a later history.

If the “earth” is “flat” with four corners it is because it was created on a written page just as the Sefer Yetzirah suggests. Significant effort is made to maintain metaphoric relationships in the real world, so when the ideas of Copernicus and Galileo threatened to alter key metaphoric associations, the Church was forced to resist. Oddly enough, this effort to maintain metaphoric relationships was probably why the Catholic Church turned a blind eye to pedophile priests since this type of “sin” was associated with the study of things hidden within the allegory, which many higher ups in the Church must be doing. (Of course, pedophiles are also good at keeping secrets, so that could have been a secondary consideration.) When the Greek philosophers expressed interest in homosexuality, they were really communicating interest in knowledge associated with “males” and the Atomists, in particular, were interested in the “small” things. Metaphoric considerations are also likely to be behind the idea of labeling anti-Jewish people as “Anti-Semites”.

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Where do the aliens come into play?

They are a metaphor for those with knowledge of the code. They are also known as "strangers" or "foreigners".

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Are the Hasidic Jews involved?

It is likely that key members of every major religion are somehow involved, but most are entirely ignorant.

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Many defenders of religion say that you "Cannot prove a negative" so my approach is not an attempt to prove what Christ isn't; it is to prove what he is-a personification of the "Word".

Well, heck... The Trashmen figured that one out back in '63.

Actually, it is quite possible that is what the song was about. "Birds" represent "cover" and therefore they are closely associated with the idea represented by Christ. (I would have to study the lyrics of other songs by this group to determine if this connection was more than an accident.)

The secrets of the allegory have been shared with many artists and writers throughout the centuries. These are the ones who have "sold their soul to the Devil" in return for fame and fortune. But remember, if someone claims authorship of a work, it does not mean they actually wrote it. Many times an artist will just have the metaphorically correct name, and they will be chosen as a cover for someone else's work (i.e. Joseph Smith, Shakespear)