How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Gilgamesh]

And, you know, your post makes no sense because women are... women, and women are the only people who are affected by any potential abortion laws.

Kay, let's say one woman in this group can't have a child. She still have equal say?

Who are you arguing with? Where did I ever say I thought anyone should be making decisions for others? I said the opposite of that.

I know. You just hinted at a fallacious argument is all. The argument that men shouldn't decide whether abortion is legal or not because they can't have babies is just dumb... Not all women can have babies and even if they could, so? Being a woman doesn't qualify one to speak for all women. Not arguing against you, just the argument you hinted at.

[NoraBrimstone]

I typically disagree with abortion simply because I define person-hood at conception and I usually hold the moral that killing is wrong. I don't see how anyone with a comprehensive knowledge of human prenatal development could support abortion to be honest.

And I fail to see how anyone with a comprehensive knowledge of human prenatal development couldn't support abortion. Based on the fact that you "define person-hood at conception" I think we can safely say you have little to no lnowledge of human prenatal development.

To the argument, "abortion = bad but abandonment = better = hypocrisy." I would ask the question, what if the person that was killed developed a cure for cancer and you developed cancer? What if instead of being aborted, that same person lived but didn't go through life with their biological parents? Which of these is the better alternative for them and you? I think it would be agreed that life is better than death, even a life separated from your mother and/or father.

What of they could cure cancer? I can play that game, what if they could become a murderer? Murderers are far more common, you know.
And no, I don't agree that a life without your biological mother is better than death. Not in the slightest.

To the argument, "Pro-life individuals want to make decisions for others." I would say, this isn't true. Not for me at least. I can't represent all pro-life individuals because I am not many. I would ask the question, "What if someone had the power to legally end your life without your consent?" Would you be opposed to the ending of your life or would you simply say it's their choice as to whether they think your life should end? Any rational and sane person would respectfully tell them to put the fucking knife away because you have the right to your life.

Wtf is this here? Why would someone legally hold the power to end my life without my consent? Are we talking about if I lived in some backward country that still has the death penalty? That's an entirely different situation, because you're talking about an actual person with thoughts and feelings, not an unconscious bunch of cells. Pro-lifers are trying to make decisions for millions of pregnant women to ruin their vaginas as well as their lives.

The voice of the prenatal human is unheard and therefore we cannot ask them if they would like to live, but the question that must be asked is, "If you were in the position of the soon to be aborted child, would you want to live or die?"

If I was in yhe position of a soon to be aborted child I wouldn't want anything because I wouldn't have any ability to bloody think or feel. That's the point. A house fly is more "alive" than a foetus.

So abortion = bad, but keeping it then giving it away like an ugly sweater you got for Christmas so they have to live their entire life knowing their own mother didn't even want them = perfectly fine? Lol

Abortion is better for a kid then adoption? Sorry but that makes no sense.

The "kid" doesn't get to exist if it's aborted, so yeah. Not existing is better than the mental fucked-upness of knowing your mother didn't love or want you. Also, keeping a baby just to give it away keeps children who already exist stuck in foster care for far longer, waiting for a family to adopt them.



To anyone who is pro-life because of delusions of "personhood":
Imagine I have in one hand, a dish containing 100 embryos, and in the other hand, a week old baby. Now imagine I have to drop one, and YOU have to choose which one I drop. Which do you choose? The dish, right? Right?

[pocaracas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

[festive1]

I don't see how anyone with a comprehensive knowledge of human prenatal development could support abortion to be honest.

A fetus cannot survive outside of its mother until around about 24 weeks. Up to that point it is entirely dependent upon her. At 24 weeks gestation it takes magnificent feats of medical technology to keep the baby alive. Not to mention the potential for lifelong complications due to such a premature birth (hearing and vision problems, asthma, cognitive issues, etc.) If it can't survive on its own, then why should the mother be forced to carry it to term?

[Big Blue Sky]

What about people who are against abortion but not Christians?

Those people are just plain stupid,better to ignore them

[ideologue08]

That OP, is the shittiest argument I have ever seen against abortion.

[Big Blue Sky]

That OP, is the shittiest argument I have ever seen against abortion.

oh interesting pleas tell me your argument then.

[The Magic Pudding]

Oh hello fellow anti abortion creature.
I've been carrying the angry signs for years.
Lately I've been thinking, ye I know I shouldn't.
Babies that die innocent get a free ticket to heaven.
My kids are such sinners, never getting to heaven.
And yet if I'd smothered them as babes...
This life has offered so many temptations.
I've sinned, asked forgiveness and sinned again.
I'm not going to make it, wish my ma smothered me.

[Tiberius]

What about people who are against abortion but not Christians?

Those people are just plain stupid,better to ignore them

Please explain why I'm plain stupid. Or ignore me. I think your response is plain stupid.

[Big Blue Sky]

Those people are just plain stupid,better to ignore them

Please explain why I'm plain stupid. Or ignore me. I think your response is plain stupid.

First of all imagine being an woman and you get pregnant with an unwanted child. You will go first 9 months through hell and when that baby is going to be born he/she is going to be ignored and hated because he/she wasn't wanted,do you know how much that child will suffer to be ignored and hated by their parents,I think not. Also There are 7 billion of us I think that there are plenty enough people on this planet,so abortions can lower some numbers as well.

Also a woman is free to use her body as she fells there is no man or no authority that should tell women how to use their own body. And furthermore can you imagine the pain women go through when giving birth,and for what so that she will just have an baby that isn't wanted.

Now you should stop worrying about children that weren't born yet and instead help children who are born and are living an rough life.