Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

[Drich]

I'm not so good with unexplained parables you're going to have to help me out here.

Seriously, you did not get that lil' sprouts are children who are punished if they do not conform to religious dogma ?

I did not know this happened.

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This is what happens when you either do not know what the bible says about this or ignore it.
We are not Children of God, not from birth anyway. (No one is born a child of God, we must A/S/K for that honor.) God created Adam, then from Adam Eve. We Are the offspring of those in whom He created.

Christ in Mat 13 Call us Seed:24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy. Some grow into wheat, and other's weeds. What gardner does not hate weeds? But as the parable says both are allowed to grow together till the harvest (Our death) then they will be seperated.

Only God know who is wheat and who is weed. We sometimes surround ourselves with so much weedieness we forget that at heart we have the potential to produce the wheat God is looking for. In the end Wheat is what God is looking for. Not everything that grows in the field is wheat.

Except crabgrass can't a/s/k to be a rose bush.

But how does crab grass know he/she is indeed crabgrass, unless she A/S/Ks?

[Ryantology]

Interesting. If we are not God's children until we willingly enslave ourselves to him, is that why God allows so many millions of innocent children and infants to suffer and die in horrifying ways, year after year?

[ronedee]

So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy.

Rather stupid of god to have created that enemy, then.

For a "god" your boy seems to fuck up quite a bit.

According to who? You?

God has no responsiblitiy to us. He gave us life, and free will to either believe, or in your case not to believe! That's pretty caring and unselfish to me.

As far as the "enemy"...he created himself, as an enemy of God. He wanted what God has without inherent rights to it.

Those who would question God are also in that catagory. Those who would [not] question God and accept Jesus, His Son as our Saviour, will inherit the Kingdom of God, and His Divinity!

The Lord God has reconciled Himself to man...We are now the ones who have to accept it, and reconcile ourselves to God.

A simple formular...for some!

So....won't you and Richard be surprised....someday?

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Interesting. If we are not God's children until we willingly enslave ourselves to him, is that why God allows so many millions of innocent children and infants to suffer and die in horrifying ways, year after year?

This is a tiring argument, from people that don't lift a finger!!!

First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?

And, I'm assuming you and your fellow anti's do as much as possible for those OTHER dying children...as say, the Chirstian Charities do?

"No...we'll close our eyes for the legal killers! And...we'll just blame anything else on a God we don't think exists."

Now that's "horrifying".

[Drich]

Interesting. If we are not God's children until we willingly enslave ourselves to him, is that why God allows so many millions of innocent children and infants to suffer and die in horrifying ways, year after year?

Is it better to be plugged into the matrix and left to live a miserable life? or to be unplugged and wake to paradise?

Death is only a sin for those who worship this life.

[Ryantology]

This is a tiring argument, from people that don't lift a finger!!!

First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?

Where is God, stopping this alleged abomination? Why does he allow it if he hates it so much? Curious that he would, given how frequently he is said to have slaughtered infants for no reason whatsoever.

And, I'm assuming you and your fellow anti's do as much as possible for those OTHER dying children...as say, the Chirstian Charities do?

You're welcome to look for numbers yourself, but I'm pretty confident that Christians are not more charitable than atheists in any significant way. This is, funny enough, the second time in about a week that a theist has questioned my charity on the basis of being holier than I.

What I can safely assume is that there are no atheists condemning people to death in Africa by preaching against safe sex and contraception to a people scared of a plague the church's refusal to cede to reality has only made worse. .

"No...we'll close our eyes for the legal killers! And...we'll just blame anything else on a God we don't think exists."

Who created the killers? Who doesn't stop them?

Now that's "horrifying".

Indeed.

Is it better to be plugged into the matrix and left to live a miserable life? or to be unplugged and wake to paradise?

I think you need to watch The Matrix again, you've completely lost the message.

Death is only a sin for those who worship this life.

If you are gullible enough to accept promises which can, in no way, be verified beforehand, no doubt that helps you pretend you're not wasting the only life you know for sure you've got.

[Drich]

if you think the promises of God can not be verified 'before hand' I think you need to read your bible again.

As far as the matrix is concerned watch the scene where Morpheus is telling Neo what the matrix is (In the white room with the two nasty chairs and the old TV.

The Matrix is slavery, and even if the illusion of slavery is clothed in a mod con world it is still slavery. (Which is the point of the movie, or the good one/1st one anyway.) The matrix according to Morpheus is control/slavery. This life is the same type of control and slavery through and to sin. To "wake up" from this life is the resurrection where we will be free from sin.

To die is to litterally awake from this matrix.

[Godscreated]

This is a tiring argument, from people that don't lift a finger!!!

First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?

Where is God, stopping this alleged abomination? Why does he allow it if he hates it so much? Curious that he would, given how frequently he is said to have slaughtered infants for no reason whatsoever.

Alleged abominations, you're joking right. An abortion doctor has been accused of delivering babies alive then killing them, testimony from those who worked with him and saw it happen, eyewitness testimony.
You keep bring up these infants God has slaughtered for no reason, please give us the verses where you have found this info.

And, I'm assuming you and your fellow anti's do as much as possible for those OTHER dying children...as say, the Christian Charities do?

You're welcome to look for numbers yourself, but I'm pretty confident that Christians are not more charitable than atheists in any significant way. This is, funny enough, the second time in about a week that a theist has questioned my charity on the basis of being holier than I.

I was questioning the secular world, not just you, I'm aware that some individuals contribute much.

What I can safely assume is that there are no atheists condemning people to death in Africa by preaching against safe sex and contraception to a people scared of a plague the church's refusal to cede to reality has only made worse. .

You need to bring proof that the Christian community as a whole has worsen the problem, before such an accusation is made you should bring the proof. The Christian Church is deeply involved with these people, paying for and bringing in the medicine they need. Food is also brought in by the boat loads. These missionaries also have to pay their own way and most of the money they raise comes from sponsoring churches. We do not have government assistance, however if we payed taxes we could save the monies we spend on these people and then use your tax dollars to pay for it all. That in turn would reduce the help these people get, because we would be receiving the same tax dollars that go to secular organizations. Working together we both help make a difference.

"No...we'll close our eyes for the legal killers! And...we'll just blame anything else on a God we don't think exists."

Who created the killers? Who doesn't stop them?

God gave them life in the womb, humanity gave them the knowledge to become evil. So, to answer both questions, man!

[ronedee]

This is a tiring argument, from people that don't lift a finger!!!

First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?

Where is God, stopping this alleged abomination? Why does he allow it if he hates it so much? Curious that he would, given how frequently he is said to have slaughtered infants for no reason whatsoever.

And, I'm assuming you and your fellow anti's do as much as possible for those OTHER dying children...as say, the Chirstian Charities do?

You're welcome to look for numbers yourself, but I'm pretty confident that Christians are not more charitable than atheists in any significant way. This is, funny enough, the second time in about a week that a theist has questioned my charity on the basis of being holier than I.

What I can safely assume is that there are no atheists condemning people to death in Africa by preaching against safe sex and contraception to a people scared of a plague the church's refusal to cede to reality has only made worse. .

"No...we'll close our eyes for the legal killers! And...we'll just blame anything else on a God we don't think exists."

Who created the killers? Who doesn't stop them?

Now that's "horrifying".

Indeed.

Is it better to be plugged into the matrix and left to live a miserable life? or to be unplugged and wake to paradise?

I think you need to watch The Matrix again, you've completely lost the message.

Death is only a sin for those who worship this life.

If you are gullible enough to accept promises which can, in no way, be verified beforehand, no doubt that helps you pretend you're not wasting the only life you know for sure you've got.

What hogwash! Do you talk just to hear yourself?

There is no one...I'll repeat....NO ONE that helps more people in the world than the Christian Charity Organizations!! LOOK IT UP YOURSELF!

Next time you disect my words...have an argument!

[Whateverist]

Ronadee, is there any chance I could get God to pay some child support to me? I think the god of the old testament was abusive and that of the new testament is mostly absent. I wonder if I could recover damages?

[rexbeccarox]

First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?

Is that what you think happens during an abortion?