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Christianity and morals
June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Christians claim to get their morals from God and the bible. But they clearly pick and choose the good stuff from the bad in the bible. They like the part where jesus feeds the 5000 but overlook and ignore all the slavery, genocide, murders and rape. To choose as they do, from the bible, they would need an already existing and separate set of morals. Does this not prove that they don't get their morals from god?
I think I heard this argument somewhere on youtube but cannot remember who said it so I cannot give credit where it is due. Just wondered what Christians would say to this. And don't you dare say: God is so ingrained into society that we follow his morals without even knowing they are his morals. Because that is bullshit.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm
They like to take the good stuff literally and the bad stuff metaphorically. Every Christian sect has a history of cherrypicking. The Bible is an awful guide for morals because of how many ways it can be interpeted...and also, because it just has shitty morals in it.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 1:45 am
(June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Christians claim to get their morals from God and the bible. But they clearly pick and choose the good stuff from the bad in the bible. They like the part where jesus feeds the 5000 but overlook and ignore all the slavery, genocide, murders and rape. To choose as they do, from the bible, they would need an already existing and separate set of morals. Does this not prove that they don't get their morals from god?
I think I heard this argument somewhere on youtube but cannot remember who said it so I cannot give credit where it is due. Just wondered what Christians would say to this. And don't you dare say: God is so ingrained into society that we follow his morals without even knowing they are his morals. Because that is bullshit.
First - the morality in the bible is not XTIAN - it is Jewish. THE christ MYTH was a jew his entire life - and the messiah was to make the Jewish religion the ONLY religion and have all other people admit they were wrong about theirs.
Second - the bible Myths are clearly based on earlier religions - noting that most of the Old Testament had been established to be MYTH by archeologists.
AS far as getting morals from Xtianity - sorry - there were millions of people on earth BEFORE the Human creation of that nonsense - and many more billions since - who never heard the word CHRIST - but have still lived moral and ethical lives. THe idea that we get that from a religion that has NO history in the the times BCE - the OLD TEstament is the Jewish religion and THEY do not accept the christ - is nonsense.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 1:53 am
(June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Christians claim to get their morals from God and the bible. But they clearly pick and choose the good stuff from the bad in the bible. They like the part where jesus feeds the 5000 but overlook and ignore all the slavery, genocide, murders and rape. To choose as they do, from the bible, they would need an already existing and separate set of morals. Does this not prove that they don't get their morals from god?
I think I heard this argument somewhere on youtube but cannot remember who said it so I cannot give credit where it is due. Just wondered what Christians would say to this. And don't you dare say: God is so ingrained into society that we follow his morals without even knowing they are his morals. Because that is bullshit.
When did Jesus do all the: slavery, genocide, murders and rape?
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:10 am
(June 3, 2013 at 1:53 am)ronedee Wrote: When did Jesus do all the: slavery, genocide, murders and rape?
The Lord gave the nod to slavery by using the institution frequently in his parables. At one point, he even says
Jesus Wrote:Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
He gave genocide and murder the nod when he promised destruction to the cities that fail to receive his disciples well:
Jesus Wrote:Luke 10:13-15 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
You are correct, however, that He personally didn't advocate rape while He was on earth. He only did that while He was His own Father in Heaven.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:14 am
(June 3, 2013 at 2:10 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (June 3, 2013 at 1:53 am)ronedee Wrote: When did Jesus do all the: slavery, genocide, murders and rape?
The Lord gave the nod to slavery by using the institution frequently in his parables. At one point, he even says
Jesus Wrote:Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
He gave genocide and murder the nod when he promised destruction to the cities that fail to receive his disciples well:
Jesus Wrote:Luke 10:13-15 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
You are correct, however, that He personally didn't advocate rape while He was on earth. He only did that while He was His own Father in Heaven.
Dumb ass phony Christian!
And what are you?
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:22 am
(June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Christians claim to get their morals from God and the bible. But they clearly pick and choose the good stuff from the bad in the bible. They like the part where jesus feeds the 5000 but overlook and ignore all the slavery, genocide, murders and rape. To choose as they do, from the bible, they would need an already existing and separate set of morals. Does this not prove that they don't get their morals from god?
I think I heard this argument somewhere on youtube but cannot remember who said it so I cannot give credit where it is due. Just wondered what Christians would say to this. And don't you dare say: God is so ingrained into society that we follow his morals without even knowing they are his morals. Because that is bullshit.
Wow, nice obfuscated use of a strawman in your opening line. /sarcasm
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:27 am
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An atheist lies to make a point. And why should a Christian take that seriously?
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 7:11 am
I'd like to make it clear, Jesus did feed the 5000. He did not personally do any slavery, genocide, murder or rape. I'm just taking it from the bible as examples of good and bad that has happened in there. I don't know what lies you are talking about because all that stuff is definately in there.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 7:41 am
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(June 3, 2013 at 2:14 am)ronedee Wrote: And what are you?
I'M A TRUE CHRISTIAN ™!!!!!
I read my Holey Babble! All of it! Unlike you phony Christians who only read John 3:16 and then skim to the bottom and click "I agree" like it's some kind of software agreement.
Read the passages of the Babble that I quoted and you'll see that I've quoted it faithfully. There's a lot more to this book than the parts your priest quote from the pulpit.
(June 3, 2013 at 2:22 am)catfish Wrote: Romans 2...
Are you attempting to quote the Holey Babble here? If so, let's see a verse number with that chapter. Or are you still looking through it? Take your time. I know this must be the first time you're reading it. The chapter is mostly about the faithful, the laws and practicing what we preach, so it's hard to see how it relates to the topic but take your time. Get back to me when you're ready.
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