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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(June 4, 2013 at 4:44 pm)John V Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I've observed that people who crow about winning an argument are unlikely to have actually done so. You mean like the OP?
I'm glad you brought that up. Witnesses to an argument tend to be better at judging it. Note that DP is not an atheist. Note that DP is not talking about arguments he has won himself.
(June 4, 2013 at 4:44 pm)John V Wrote: Quote:Please do not present any of the following arguments and think you're offering us anything new or even anything that atheists haven't heard and debunked a million times already.
So, by your observation, it's unlikely they've actually been debunked.
You'd have to interpret my observation much less liberally to get the outcome you think you did.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm)John V Wrote: Oh yes, saying STFU and GTFO are good tactics for rising above inferior conversation...
You'll note that I've never actually said STFU or GTFO to anyone. I just said don't be surprised if that's what you get.
Now stop whining and crying about how oppressed you are.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 3:54 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 3:57 pm by Mystical.)
DP Wrote:You'll just have to forgive us if we tire of having the same conversation over and over, only to have a new Christian come along and say, "Hi, what do you all think of this argument for Jesus..." and the exact same canned drivel ensues. And everyone groans, facepalms and thinks "not this crap again".
If you want thoughtful discussion on the historicity of Jesus and the Gospel tale, you might peruse this debate between me and one of the faithful. Feel free to chime in if you can find what your brother in Christ missed. I'll even offer to restart the debate if you think you can do a better job.
And then you start into the old canard about "well, without Jesus we have no basis of morality and so anything goes". It may astonish you but we've already examined both the problems of theistic-based morality as well as how secular thinking provides a much simpler and clearer means to understand morality.
So rather than re-hash the same discussions, I'll simply save myself some time and point you to these threads. If you can do a better job at defending your views than your comrades in Christ, you are welcome to try.
Seems reasonable to me.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 3:56 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 1:34 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: (June 5, 2013 at 12:55 pm)John V Wrote: No, he says "do not expect anything more than irritated GTFO or STFU retorts," which means no debate. You really shouldn't try to recharacterize something that's right there for all to see. It's hilarious how people can miss the obvious when they want to eh?
People who think they can interpret the word of God should be able to interpret the word of DP. He isn't threatening GTFOs, he's clearly issuing an advisory on what can be expected around here if you bring a certain type of argument.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 4:01 pm
You can't even seem to follow that instruction. Why would we think you could handle anything more complex?
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm
It's hilarious how some people can miss plain English when they want to, eh?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 4:16 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm glad you brought that up. Witnesses to an argument tend to be better at judging it. Note that DP is not an atheist. Did you notice the title of the thread? "We've," not "they've." He then uses "we" or "us" four more times in the body of the post. He apparently lumps deist-agnostics with atheists as a group opposed to Christianity then. In fact, he later does group them:
DeistPaladin Wrote:If I ever do put another website together, I may have a page dedicated to this idea so that atheists and other non-cultists can link to to quickly dispense with their debunked-yet-endlessly-recycled-crap they get confronted with.
Quote:Note that DP is not talking about arguments he has won himself.
(June 4, 2013 at 9:51 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: This idea was inspired as I was responding to "Pandas United", the latest Christian to come along and regurgitate the "moral argument". I pointed him to my own older post on this very topic rather than rehash the same counter-arguments all over again.
You really should read the thread before making claims about its contents.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 4:32 pm
You really should drop it before this gets embarrassing..
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 4:36 pm
[quote='John V' pid='457650' dateline='1370463405']
Oh, did I offend you by calling you a cultist?
You know what the difference is between a cult and a religion?
The word "cult" is never used to describe one's own religion.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 5, 2013 at 5:10 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: He isn't threatening GTFOs That's exactly what he's doing. Not that there is anything wrong with it of course, there are many more forums I'm a member of who wouldn't even allow Atheists to post freely. But it's still prudent to highlight the fact that a mod openly endorses STFU replies to posts by Christians.
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