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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 4, 2013 at 2:38 am
Also, when Terr speaks of the theist in question as "Never [having] lost... [belief in God] in the first place." it's a:
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm
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(June 3, 2013 at 10:00 pm)ReasonableRuben Wrote: No true Scotsman.
It's not a no true Scotsman fallacy, because if someone is talking to God, then they obviously believe that this god exists and therefore cannot be an atheist. It's not a no true Scotsman fallacy if the characteristic being described is against the definition of what you're talking about. If I say "There are no birds without feathers. The bat doesn't have feathers, therefore it is not a bird" it is not a no true Scotsman fallacy, it's based on scientific fact.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 4, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Maybe those folks got confused between some sort of antitheism and atheism and though being against God was the same (somehow) as having a lack of belief in God.
So at the end it could be just a confusion of labels.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 4, 2013 at 7:48 pm
(June 4, 2013 at 2:38 am)ReasonableRuben Wrote: Also, when Terr speaks of the theist in question as "Never [having] lost... [belief in God] in the first place." it's a: Which is -his- contribution to the narrative. If I hear somebody say that they were an atheist who still talked to god- I'm content with the conclusion that they are either A: being incredibly disingenuous, or B: don;t understand what the word atheist means in the first place.
I don't have to add anything to the statement to reach this conclusion. I don't need any special rules-or exceptions, and I don't have to redefine anything that they've said.
I do however think its a dead giveaway - though perhaps we'd disagree on what's been given away.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 4, 2013 at 9:38 pm
(June 4, 2013 at 7:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Which is -his- contribution to the narrative. If I hear somebody say that they were an atheist who still talked to god- I'm content with the conclusion that they are either A: being incredibly disingenuous, or B: don;t understand what the word atheist means in the first place.
I get that you think my approach is eisegetical,(I don't think it is) but yours seems to me to be unreasonably skeptical.
Quote:I don't have to add anything to the statement to reach this conclusion. I don't need any special rules-or exceptions, and I don't have to redefine anything that they've said.
If this is an appeal to some principle of parsimony, you should be more clear. It sounds like "I don't have to think that hard about it."
Again, Terr could clear this up if he would just give us the original quote in its context.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 10:19 am
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This is all a wee bit ridiculous.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 10:34 am
(June 5, 2013 at 10:19 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: This is all a wee bit ridiculous.
All of it?
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 10:37 am
if they still believe in god they aren't atheists then.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 10:40 am
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(June 5, 2013 at 10:19 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: This is all a wee bit ridiculous.
Of course it is Nora....we are talking -about- talking -to- a god..after all. 
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 3:01 pm
I considered myself a non-alcoholic, but I couldn't stop drinking.
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