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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 3:03 pm
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 3:09 pm
That was one of the first things that came to mind when I saw the topic. "I considered myself a teetotaler, but I still drank alcohol." "I considered myself bedridden, but I still got up and walked around." "I considered myself a virgin, but I still engaged in sexual relations." And so on.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 9:18 pm by Terr.)
(June 3, 2013 at 10:00 pm)ReasonableRuben Wrote: No true Scotsman.
We need more information on specific persons that claim they stopped believing in God and then started again in order to justifiably make the claim you're making. Although it's hard to pin down what you're actually claiming. My best attempt is "A lot of theists who claim to be ex-atheists were actually never really atheists."
This seems to me to be making a most presumptuous psychoanalytical inference from non-existent evidence. Even if you knew of a theist who went under-cover, even, as an atheist and then falsely claimed to re-convert to theism, the inference to the "so many" is still unjustified.
I quess I'm really just asking if the 'ex-atheists' who pop up know what an atheist is. And in regards to my 'so many' the old Atheist Ireland forum seemed to get them in spades, however that a personal opinion I cannot validate, so I take you point.
Remind me not to qoute comments off christian websites again, NO MATTER HOW DRUNK.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Quote:"I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
Alright, the person views there to be no god, and talks to... god.
We have a word and a mental condition for the hallucinating of figures that do not exist but also interacting with them... schizophrenia.
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RE: "I considered myself atheist, but I still talked to god"
June 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
(June 5, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Terr Wrote: Remind me not to qoute comments off christian websites again, NO MATTER HOW DRUNK.
No worries, mate. 
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'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ~Tweedledum and Tweedledee discussing the finer points of logic
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