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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 4:30 am
(June 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Christianity is Freedom.
Just so long as you're not gay, or a woman, or any one of many other things christianity doesn't like. Then christianity is actually just a set of strictures based on the wants of a being that has no evidentiary support...
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 5:45 am
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(June 7, 2013 at 3:39 am)Maelstrom Wrote: (June 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Christianity is Freedom.
Believe or burn is not freedom.
He forgot "WAR IS PEACE" and "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH".
It is the freedom offered by the rapist: you are free to to either struggle or submit to what he wants. If you choose the latter, he'll show mercy on you. If you choose the former, they'll find your tits in the fishbowl.
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 7:22 am
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(June 7, 2013 at 3:39 am)Maelstrom Wrote: (June 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Christianity is Freedom.
Believe or burn is not freedom. It's freedom from burning. 
(June 7, 2013 at 3:52 am)max-greece Wrote: " "What we bind on Earth (Make laws to on earth) will be bound for us in Heaven, and what we loose here on Earth will be loosed in Heaven."
So if the Church starts to condone casual sex with your choice of partner, recreational drugs, rock music and porn you will get all those things in heaven?
Can't help feeling you are missing a trick here - do the above and sign me up. Can one love God with all of their being screwing around, and partying? The freedom we are given is not to be used to serve ourselves, but to love God with all of our being. With out this love for God you may still call yourself a Christian, but Christ will not know who you are as in mat 7:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A21-23&version=NIV
On a side note.
If your looking for a church like you describe some of the large motorcycle clubs have chaplains.
(June 7, 2013 at 4:30 am)Esquilax Wrote: (June 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Christianity is Freedom.
Just so long as you're not gay, or a woman, or any one of many other things christianity doesn't like. Then christianity is actually just a set of strictures based on the wants of a being that has no evidentiary support...
If a gay person or anyone else can not find complete freedom in Christianity then they have not read their own bibles. We are free from the law as our only means or way to righteousness, and we are free to worship God to our fullest potential. The only thing we can't do is live for self.
(June 7, 2013 at 5:45 am)Ryantology Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 3:39 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Believe or burn is not freedom.
He forgot "WAR IS PEACE" and "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH".
It is the freedom offered by the rapist: you are free to to either struggle or submit to what he wants. If you choose the latter, he'll show mercy on you. If you choose the former, they'll find your tits in the fishbowl.
Maybe tits in the fireplace would be more accurate... Unless you find and accept atonement, then your 'tits' can be found in heaven.
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 8:05 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 9:01 pm)ronedee Wrote: Why would Christians change anything? We have the biggest following in the history of the world!
(June 5, 2013 at 8:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How can someone believe that a dead jew came back to life for their "sins" and be rational?
If they don't believe a dead jew came back to life for their "sins" they can't be xtians.
There is a practical limit to how far they could evolve and remain xtians.
No little guy...He died for our sins. He came back to annoy you!
Sorry = Guy with LIttle - sin does not actually exist
THAT is the basic problem with a monotheism - and especially xtianity. A sin is defined by religion as an offense against a god. The problem is - what would an offense against a god be - when that god is the source of everything - ALL EVIL as well as ALL GOOD (One god created everything) - and SAW that what it created was GOOD too!
Of course - in the absence of any proven god - the idea that knows what is a sin - is nonsense
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm
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(June 7, 2013 at 3:39 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Believe or burn is not freedom.
How better to enslave someone than to convince them their shackles make them free?
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 7, 2013 at 9:59 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 3:39 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Believe or burn is not freedom.
How better to enslave someone than to convince them their shackles make them free?
Actually - the claim of FREE will - which xtians love to use as an excuse for almost everything - cannot exist if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present - and future.
IF the god knew everything that will happen for ALL TIME - then there is ONLY one possible outcome to every situation -the one the god knows. WE cannot be FREE to choose something the god does NOT know - so we have only one possible "choice" - which means NO choice at all.
AND indeed - the idea that you must choose ONE option - or burn is coercion - not choice.
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Re: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 8, 2013 at 2:15 am
How do you know you only have one choice if you're not God?
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RE: Will Christianity Cease Development or Drive Itself Into Truth?
June 8, 2013 at 3:47 am
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(June 7, 2013 at 7:22 am)Drich Wrote: If a gay person or anyone else can not find complete freedom in Christianity then they have not read their own bibles. We are free from the law as our only means or way to righteousness, and we are free to worship God to our fullest potential. The only thing we can't do is live for self.
Why design human beings to be selfish and individualistic and then punish us for acting according to that design?
The idea that free will is supposed to foster a pure relationship with God runs into a fatal flaw immediately: there is a punishment/reward system in place. If God's desire was to weed out those who didn't truly want to be his best buds 4eva, with all their hearts, then there would be no reward offered for saying yes and no punishment handed down for saying no. The promise of eternity in paradise, free from all the bad things on earth, is an incentive which appeals to the selfish desire to get good results. The promise of gruesome and unending torture is disincentive which appeals to the selfish desire to avoid negative results. Both promises taint the purity of the relationship, and it is human nature to take both promises into account when considering the whole Christian thing. This is a problem that the inventors of the Christ story apparently failed to realize, they made the pure and unconditional love for Christ demanded by scripture impossible by broadening its appeal.
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