Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism

[Undeceived]

[pocaracas]

First, there's me. I do what brings greatest good to me.

By "good" do you mean happiness?

Lol.
I mean "not bad".
Happiness is in the package too, yes.

[Cyberman]

I'm going to commit the ultimate sin now and speak for the bunny.

You claimed to care whether God's followers were evil. I am asking what moral system you use to determine whether they are evil.

How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?

When it becomes relevant, I will fill in the blanks.

[Undeceived]

How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?

God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?

[Bad Writer]

God is the ultimate subjective. What he says goes.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?

God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?

That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.

If you'd said this sooner we'd have saved a lot of time.

[Minimalist]

God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?

2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them

-- Deut 7

Fuck your god.

[Undeceived]

That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.

That depends on your definition of evil. Your definition of evil can be independent of your morality. Is it in God's right to do certain things, such as killing? Yes, He is morally justified, because He created all things. May we still consider Him evil? Yes, because evil is subjective. Ronedee explained what ronedee would do if God asked him to do something. He did not say God's deeds were objectively "wrong". Of course, objective morality often helps us decide our personal definition of evil. If there is no objective morality in your subjective worldviews, what good are your subjective worldviews?

[Bad Writer]

God never killed anyone because he's not real. People kill other people, and oft-times they do so in the name of an invisible sky daddy. Either way you look at it, people are still dying for no good reason.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.

That depends on your definition of evil. Your definition of evil can be independent of your morality. Is it in God's right to do certain things, such as killing? Yes, He is morally justified, because He created all things. May we still consider Him evil? Yes, because evil is subjective. Ronedee explained what ronedee would do if God asked him to do something. He did not say God's deeds were objectively "wrong". Of course, objective morality often helps us decide our personal definition of evil. If there is no objective morality in your subjective worldviews, what good are your subjective worldviews?

Just go back a few pages and reread. We've been over this.