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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm
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(August 16, 2013 at 4:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: (August 16, 2013 at 3:49 am)Undeceived Wrote: This is open to anyone. Thoughts? Which moral theory do you stand by?
http://home.sandiego.edu/~baber/gender/M...ories.html
First, there's me. I do what brings greatest good to me.
By "good" do you mean happiness?
(August 16, 2013 at 8:56 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @Undeceived, you still haven't filled in the blanks yourself.
You should do that if you want to see how we differ from you.
You claimed to care whether God's followers were evil. I am asking what moral system you use to determine whether they are evil. When it becomes relevant, I will fill in the blanks.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 1:04 pm
(August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Undeceived Wrote: (August 16, 2013 at 4:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: First, there's me. I do what brings greatest good to me.
By "good" do you mean happiness? Lol.
I mean "not bad".
Happiness is in the package too, yes.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm
I'm going to commit the ultimate sin now and speak for the bunny.
(August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Undeceived Wrote: You claimed to care whether God's followers were evil. I am asking what moral system you use to determine whether they are evil.
How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?
(August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Undeceived Wrote: When it becomes relevant, I will fill in the blanks.
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At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm
(August 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?
God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 6:47 pm
God is the ultimate subjective. What he says goes.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm
(August 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm)Undeceived Wrote: (August 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How about: the same moral system you use to determine whether your god is good?
God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?
That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.
If you'd said this sooner we'd have saved a lot of time.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Quote:God is my standard. How else would you know an objective good, unless someone/something non-subjective made the rules?
Quote:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them
-- Deut 7
Fuck your god.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 10:22 pm
(August 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.
That depends on your definition of evil. Your definition of evil can be independent of your morality. Is it in God's right to do certain things, such as killing? Yes, He is morally justified, because He created all things. May we still consider Him evil? Yes, because evil is subjective. Ronedee explained what ronedee would do if God asked him to do something. He did not say God's deeds were objectively "wrong". Of course, objective morality often helps us decide our personal definition of evil. If there is no objective morality in your subjective worldviews, what good are your subjective worldviews?
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm
God never killed anyone because he's not real. People kill other people, and oft-times they do so in the name of an invisible sky daddy. Either way you look at it, people are still dying for no good reason.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 16, 2013 at 11:33 pm
(August 16, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Undeceived Wrote: (August 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: That's what I wanted you to say. Because then, for you god will never be evil, so you are unable to say what ronedee said, which was if god asks him to do what he considers to be atrocities, he won't do it even if it means eternal damnation.
That depends on your definition of evil. Your definition of evil can be independent of your morality. Is it in God's right to do certain things, such as killing? Yes, He is morally justified, because He created all things. May we still consider Him evil? Yes, because evil is subjective. Ronedee explained what ronedee would do if God asked him to do something. He did not say God's deeds were objectively "wrong". Of course, objective morality often helps us decide our personal definition of evil. If there is no objective morality in your subjective worldviews, what good are your subjective worldviews?
Just go back a few pages and reread. We've been over this.
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