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September 18, 2009 at 2:38 am
Never said they achieve it, I just said their holy text advocates it. the word Islam is derived from the arabic word for peace.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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September 18, 2009 at 2:47 am
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(September 18, 2009 at 1:50 am)dry land fish Wrote: (September 18, 2009 at 1:11 am)Saerules Wrote: No no no.... don't shy away from saying fuck... If you're going to say something: just say it  Though one might question the wisdom of not thinking about it first... 
Some people are thin skinned and get offended easily I've noticed on this forum. I've came to the conclusion that the majority of you people are teens and have no idea what the hell is going on with anything. Do many of you play dungeons and dragons in your parents basment? I sense that...I really do.
Hmm, let's see now:
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I might well be the only thin-skinned and easily offended teenager who has no idea what the hell is going on with anything and plays D&D in their parent's basement. /sarcasm
That was a mouthful O.o
(September 18, 2009 at 2:38 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: Never said they achieve it, I just said their holy text advocates it. the word Islam is derived from the arabic word for peace.
Peace by what? Murder of infidels? 
It is a very mixed message, much like the Bible.
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September 18, 2009 at 2:52 am
as is any religeous text
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September 18, 2009 at 3:55 am
(September 17, 2009 at 4:08 pm)dry land fish Wrote: I don't mind non muslim middle eastern people. It's the Muslim religion and those who follow it that I dislike.
Then you really don't get it. Islam isn't so much a choice. It's a requirement in these countries.
I really am appalled at what you're repeatedly saying DLF. If the topic was homosexuality you'd be an ex member by now.
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September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm
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(September 18, 2009 at 3:55 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (September 17, 2009 at 4:08 pm)dry land fish Wrote: I don't mind non muslim middle eastern people. It's the Muslim religion and those who follow it that I dislike.
Then you really don't get it. Islam isn't so much a choice. It's a requirement in these countries.
I really am appalled at what you're repeatedly saying DLF. If the topic was homosexuality you'd be an ex member by now.
Well homosexuality and muslims are two completely different things. Of course I support homosexuality, gender reassignment, and whatever else anyone wants to do with that issue.
I see a lot of problems with this. First problem is that some of you again aren't Americans so you are playing off the attacks on American soil because it didn't happen to your country. As if we should just forgive them or something. I don't know what's up with that. Second of all I find it hypicritical that many of you including myself just run down Christians. I posted the picture of those christians in my town holding up signs and yelling at the cars going by and we made fun of it. So what if I posted pictures of Muslims holding up machine guns with "Kill America" on a billboard behind them. Oh those pictures are out there. Iran is our new best friend haven't you heard? So...for a picture like that then according to most of you to say anything negative would just be horrible "OMG don't put down the Muslims." Newflash: We are atheists..or most of us. Uh...we don't believe in anything. So we "deal" with the stupid annoyances thrown our way by the religions that aren't violent but it's pretty hard to tolerate and support any freedom of expression from Muslims who you never know if they are a radical or not. I mean those Muslims that few planes into the WTC buildings were radicals but no one knew. They were able to get a job flying planes! So..because they are able to "pretend" they aren't radical and hide from the radar doesn't mean they aren't thinking about killing any of us.
People say "Oh they are peaceful I have Muslims in my neighborhood". Yeah..that's because they aren't in a country that tolerates radical islam. Of course they are peaceful because if they weren't some of the citizens would probably almost kill them. If an openly radical islamist moved into my town I believe that someone would shoot them. They aren't stupid they know this. So they keep their mouth shut. I know it's a requirement in those countries. It's fucked up too. So...I'm supposed to feel sorry for them because they have no "choice". No!! They DO have a choice. They can rise up against their government. They might die but someone needs to get the ball rolling to make a change there.
I live with a person who lived in an Islamic country for almost two years. My husband is not a brainwashed military person. He hated the military, hated bush, and believes we are one of the worst countries in the world at the moment. If any of you know what military people are like to speak out against your president and country is just not acceptable behaviour in that line of work. It's very hard to even support the rights of a people who could have killed someone you love. Especially when that person has been so deeply mentally affected that they admit they would go back to Iraq if given the chance just to kill more of them. Apparently that is a very common thing with soldiers. I think the most troubling aspect is that when they see someone who is Muslim in public and they also automcatically think due to their experience with radicals "I need to kill them before they kill me" and then realize where they are and that they are safe. I will NOT support any religoius rights or freedoms of those people. Ever.
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September 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Quote:I live with a person who lived in an Islamic country for almost two years. My husband is not a brainwashed military person. He hated the military, hated bush, and believes we are one of the worst countries in the world at the moment.
Erm... yeah... that sounds... like.. most brainwashed military. Got to love the draft /sarcasm
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(September 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm)Saerules Wrote: Quote:I live with a person who lived in an Islamic country for almost two years. My husband is not a brainwashed military person. He hated the military, hated bush, and believes we are one of the worst countries in the world at the moment.
Erm... yeah... that sounds... like.. most brainwashed military. Got to love the draft /sarcasm
You realize we haven't had the draft in years. Do you know anything about the military? They don't value independent thought. You love your President regardless of who they are, you are happy to go to war regardless of why you are doing it, and you NEVER EVER question authority. That is the brainwashed military. And no...that does NOT sound like most brainwashed military.
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September 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm
(September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm)dry land fish Wrote: First problem is that some of you again aren't Americans so you are playing off the attacks on American soil because it didn't happen to your country. As if we should just forgive them or something. I don't know what's up with that.
I'm sure there have been terrorist attacks in London, Glasgow and Madrid over the past decade too. Perhaps not on as scale as large as those on 11/09/01 in New York, but we ALL know that our freedoms are being threatened by muslim extremists. You needn't live in the USA to understand this. Now, even if I lived around the north pole, I still think I'd be qualified to say: "just because SOME muslims attacked your country, this does not mean that you should kill, maim or detain all muslims on planet earth, particularly those living in Islamic countries".
You may just be talking about a small subgroup of muslims (mega-extremists), and if so I apologise for being off the mark. You do appear to be making a gross over-generalisation though. The subject of foreign policy with regards to Islamic countries is one which I struggle to rationalise myself sometimes. I do however believe that it's slightly less than helpful to be sending soldiers into a war they cannot win.
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September 18, 2009 at 1:46 pm
(September 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm)dry land fish Wrote: (September 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm)Saerules Wrote: Quote:I live with a person who lived in an Islamic country for almost two years. My husband is not a brainwashed military person. He hated the military, hated bush, and believes we are one of the worst countries in the world at the moment.
Erm... yeah... that sounds... like.. most brainwashed military. Got to love the draft /sarcasm
You realize we haven't had the draft in years. Do you know anything about the military? They don't value independent thought. You love your President regardless of who they are, you are happy to go to war regardless of why you are doing it, and you NEVER EVER question authority. That is the brainwashed military. And no...that does NOT sound like most brainwashed military. Well then... why do so many of the former-military I know personally sound like that? Perhaps most of the military is not brainwashed? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscriptio...ted_States Every heard of the contingency plan? yeah... umm.
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(September 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm)LukeMC Wrote: (September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm)dry land fish Wrote: First problem is that some of you again aren't Americans so you are playing off the attacks on American soil because it didn't happen to your country. As if we should just forgive them or something. I don't know what's up with that.
I'm sure there have been terrorist attacks in London, Glasgow and Madrid over the past decade too. Perhaps not on as scale as large as those on 11/09/01 in New York, but we ALL know that our freedoms are being threatened by muslim extremists. You needn't live in the USA to understand this. Now, even if I lived around the north pole, I still think I'd be qualified to say: "just because SOME muslims attacked your country, this does not mean that you should kill, maim or detain all muslims on planet earth, particularly those living in Islamic countries".
You may just be talking about a small subgroup of muslims (mega-extremists), and if so I apologise for being off the mark. You do appear to be making a gross over-generalisation though. The subject of foreign policy with regards to Islamic countries is one which I struggle to rationalise myself sometimes. I do however believe that it's slightly less than helpful to be sending soldiers into a war they cannot win.
I agree that we should not send soldiers to fight a war we can't win. When they are there they have to kill in order to save their own lives. Once you see someone who doesn't look like you trying to kill you every day then you suddely develop this instinct to kill everyone that looks like them. Especially when women and kids strap bombs to their bodies and walk up to soldiers and blow them up. At that point no one is off limits to be killed.
No...I'm not talking just about extremists. I mentioned WHY some of the would be extremists aren't so extreme when they suddenly find themselves living in a country that doesn't tolerate extremism. There is a book called "not without my daughter" and there was also a movie called that as well. It's based on a true story of an American woman married to an Iranian doctor in America. He lies and says he's going to visit his family in Iran but will be back in two weeks and suggests she bring herself and their daughter. She agrees and when they get to Iran and to his radical Islamic family he throws away the passports, starts beating his wife and controlling her in true islamic fashion and tells her they are never leaving Iran. She isn't allowed to ever call her parents or family in America either. Then he puts his daughter in a Muslim school and terrifies the little girl. This really happened. The woman fled the country and risked her life to save her and her daughter. In America this man was completely peaceful. He practiced Islam in America and no one not even his wife ever thought he was capable of such violence. This is an example of how you never know about Muslims and you never know if they are truly extreme or not.
(September 18, 2009 at 1:46 pm)Saerules Wrote: (September 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm)dry land fish Wrote: (September 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm)Saerules Wrote: Quote:I live with a person who lived in an Islamic country for almost two years. My husband is not a brainwashed military person. He hated the military, hated bush, and believes we are one of the worst countries in the world at the moment.
Erm... yeah... that sounds... like.. most brainwashed military. Got to love the draft /sarcasm
You realize we haven't had the draft in years. Do you know anything about the military? They don't value independent thought. You love your President regardless of who they are, you are happy to go to war regardless of why you are doing it, and you NEVER EVER question authority. That is the brainwashed military. And no...that does NOT sound like most brainwashed military. Well then... why do so many of the former-military I know personally sound like that? Perhaps most of the military is not brainwashed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscriptio...ted_States Every heard of the contingency plan? yeah... umm.
"Yeah ummm like OMG I'm 17 and I have no clue...clueless." Yes I know about selective service and it's not the draft. I come from a military family. I was also in the military but I didn't have to go to Iraq. Have you been in the military, had a father that is a war vet, are all of your uncles war vets? You aren't even married so I can't ask if your husband is a vet. Well..I was the first female in my family to go military but all the males did from WW1 down. I don't talk about my experience because I hated Bush and I hated that I had to work for that bastard and could not question his authority. I know the military mentality. What could you possibly know about the military. You are just old enough to join with your parents permission of course!!!! A sixteen year old is going to know more about the military than someone who's been there and done that!
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