Worst atheistic argument?

[Tiberius]

Just wondering what you think the worst atheistic argument is? This could be an argument you've used before, or one that someone told you (and you then poked holes in).

The Problem of Evil. I've been addressing that one for years, from armchair philosophers to renowned scholars, and not once have I seen a formulation of it that actually works. It's compelling force is pure sophistry, a brute assertion decked out like an argument that does not stand up under scrutiny. It is nothing short of ironic that one of atheism's weakest arguments is considered by so many as its strongest argument.

I could say the same thing about TAG

[Ryft]

I could say the same thing about TAG

No you can't. You said you'd never heard much of anything about the TAG until you and I started getting into it (and we will indeed continue it), much less debated it at length for years with layman and scholars.

[Tiberius]

By "the same thing" I meant the "it is nothing short of ironic" bit. Many consider TAG to be a strong argument for Christianity, and yet it is considered by others to be deeply flawed

[Ryft]

By "the same thing" I meant the "it is nothing short of ironic" bit. Many consider TAG to be a strong argument for Christianity, and yet it is considered by others to be deeply flawed

Patience, Adrian... patience. We'll get back to it.

[Tiberius]

I can't wait Mr. Smart.

Interesting debates you've had on your blog

[chatpilot]

Fr0d0 you crack me up sometimes and every once in awhile you give me a good chuckle.

There's logic for you

You're a fool if you interpret that text in that way. Heaven right here, right now is achieved by doing what is right. If you could clear the hate from your eyes you would see that, and see that it ties in with what you think is good.

Christians prostelytising to them is a separate act of 'charity' to them. Personally I think any presentation of a world view that isn't accessible is a waste of breath.

Fr0d0 how can you say that proselytizing is a charity?There is nothing worse then taking an already down trodden person and lifting him/her up by giving them a mental disorder called religion.Religion is nothing more than delusional thinking.

Also,in your reply are you stating that you don't believe in an after life of bliss in heaven?That is the problem with you Christians,10 of you can read the same text and come out with 10 different interpretations to that text.Hence,the many sects labeled under Christianity.In the end it's all a matter of personal interpretation.Yet another demonstration of your gods imperfect way to reveal himself to the world.

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Here is the second half of Matthew 25:34-40
Matthew 25:41-46

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

As you can see if you don't do good deeds fr0d0 then you will suffer eternal punishment.Hypocrisy at it's best!

[fr0d0]

Fr0d0 how can you say that proselytizing is a charity?

They believe that a person will be happier and seek anothers happiness and not their own. How isn't that charity?

Also,in your reply are you stating that you don't believe in an after life of bliss in heaven?

I didn't state that. I quite conventionally stated that heaven is also this life.

As you can see if you don't do good deeds fr0d0 then you will suffer eternal punishment.

That's right. Everlasting punishment in this life also. It's phraseology. In secular language: you reap what you sow.

[chatpilot]

Fr0d0 how can you say that proselytizing is a charity?

They believe that a person will be happier and seek anothers happiness and not their own. How isn't that charity?

Also,in your reply are you stating that you don't believe in an after life of bliss in heaven?

I didn't state that. I quite conventionally stated that heaven is also this life.

As you can see if you don't do good deeds fr0d0 then you will suffer eternal punishment.

That's right. Everlasting punishment in this life also. It's phraseology. In secular language: you reap what you sow.

That's your interpretation I bet I could find the other nine Christians with nine other interpretations.So the devil and his angels are going to be tossed into the lake of fire metaphorically?Too funny.Then again how can you suffer everlasting punishment in this life if we are finite creatures with a limited time on this earth?

[Rhizomorph13]

Hey,

Here's a fun part of the bible:

Mathew 6:1-4

1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Charity done right should be stealthy.

Apparently Fr0d0 wants to Immanentize the Eschaton too. He must be a Belinda Carlisle fan:

Ooh, baby, do you know what thats worth ?
Ooh heaven is a place on earth
They say in heaven love comes first
We'll make heaven a place on earth
Ooh heaven is a place on earth

Rhizo

[Ryft]

You did NOT just refer to a Belinda Carlisle song... {claws at ears}