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(June 19, 2013 at 11:20 pm)wwjs Wrote: GC, you seem to like bringing up topic of hell. What would be your reaction if you went to heaven and got informed that there is no hell?
He would be utterly dejected; to a certain type of believer, the point of heaven is to look down on the people in hell. The moment it's not an exclusive club anymore, it wouldn't be heaven to him.
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(June 19, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not have to fear death, it is you who should fear the eternal life if you do not change, hell is a very unhappy place.
If you're right about hell, I'm right about God being a vindictive prick.
Quote:I do want to live with God forever,yes, if that's selfish then count me selfish, however I have served God at what nonbelievers would call, giving up the good life.
Have you really? You have a computer and enough free time to post as much as I do, you eat food every night, you have a roof over your head. You have safety, security, freedom and material wealth most people in the world can't even dream of having.
What your God calls 'giving up the good life' is "Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:22). You haven't done anything even resembling this, instead hoping that God will be satisfied with you occasionally making a token effort at charity.
Quote: I also came out of these serves with gain from God, as He promises, it is spiritual gain something you would not understand.
I certainly do, I just don't call it 'spiritual' or attribute it to God.
Quote:God also says for us to build up our treasures in heaven and not here where decay will eat away at them. You're wrong, it is a relationship with God that is the point, and that relationship is an opportunity to grow as a human so we can serve God better. The selfishness that God does not like is that of those who try to live life on their own.
Show a Christian a holy command he does not even bother trying to fulfill, watch a Christian re-interpret that command so that he can maintain a sanctimonious air when a non-believer calls them on it. Not that you'll agree with my interpretation, but I don't really give a shit; I'm not the one who has to explain myself to God.
If you're right about your God, you better hope his expectations of you are not as stringent as they appear to be, because if there's one thing the Bible does make abundantly clear, it is that he does not take it well when people pretend piety as you do.
(June 19, 2013 at 11:20 pm)wwjs Wrote: GC, you seem to like bringing up topic of hell. What would be your reaction if you went to heaven and got informed that there is no hell?
No chance of that, God is just.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
I do not have to fear death, it is you who should fear the eternal life if you do not change, hell is a very unhappy place. I do want to live with God forever,yes, if that's selfish then count me selfish, however I have served God at what nonbelievers would call, giving up the good life. I also came out of these serves with gain from God, as He promises, it is spiritual gain something you would not understand. God also says for us to build up our treasures in heaven and not here where decay will eat away at them. You're wrong, it is a relationship with God that is the point, and that relationship is an opportunity to grow as a human so we can serve God better. The selfishness that God does not like is that of those who try to live life on their own.
Mael Wrote:Does it ever concern you that your beliefs are centered around belittling others to the point of making them feel as low as possible
I tell the truth and if you do not like what the truth reveals I'm sorry but it seems to me to be your problem not mine.
Mael Wrote:so that they can believe in something you perceive as important in order to make them feel the same as you?
I witness and God calls, it is you who makes the choice, I know I can not convince you God is real, so how is it you think I make anyone do anything. You my friend give me to much credit.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
June 20, 2013 at 1:13 am (This post was last modified: June 20, 2013 at 1:14 am by fr0d0.)
(June 19, 2013 at 7:36 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(June 19, 2013 at 6:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry mate what you're saying doesn't address my faith so I cannot answer it. As always, you need to prove your wild claims not just put them out there to stink the place out.
Which claims do you need me to clarify?
Your claims that the biblical text says the opposite of what it reads. It says that God is just. You say the opposite. Yet you provide no evidence in support.
June 20, 2013 at 1:14 am (This post was last modified: June 20, 2013 at 1:16 am by Silver.)
(June 20, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: I tell the truth and if you do not like what the truth reveals I'm sorry but it seems to me to be your problem not mine.
It is not my problem that your version of the truth is in fact a lie. It irritates me to no end when a theist makes the claim that he alone has the truth. What truth, the one out of millions that exist? There is no credible reason for your one god out of thousands to be more real than any of the others. It makes me hurt inside that theists cannot see the truth of what religion is, the veritable antithesis to reality.
(June 20, 2013 at 1:13 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yet you provide no evidence in support.
I have yet to see any evidence from you to verify that god is good. Good luck with that venture.
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(June 20, 2013 at 12:50 am)Godschild Wrote: No chance of that, God is just.
What, would you say, is the point of punishing someone?
In the case of God's punishment you choose it and God gives you what you choose, that's one point. There are two sides to justice and punishment is one of them, it must be served.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(June 19, 2013 at 4:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hmm. I think atheists can be happy. I can't reason how an atheist can't see the gains of a just reality. And I do think that's a reality an atheist must face. Reality sans God is unjust.
Seeing the advantages of a perfectly just reality isn't really the point, though. I can think of any number of potential universes that I would prefer to live in, but that's irrelevant, because I live in this one. Whether or not an idea makes you feel good has no bearing on its truth value; I can see the things I would gain in a just reality, yes, but I see no evidence that this universe is that reality.
At best Esq, you can say realty is how you see it or how I see it. There is no evidence to tip the balance either way. My reality is no less real than yours. How we perceive that reality is all that is different. Feelings have nothing to do with it. That's a red herring.
