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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 1:00 am
(June 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
God's punishment after He judged them evil, they had lead some of Israel to worship false gods.
And the punishment he chose looks reasonable to you? Seems highly unlikely they were all involved in leading some Israelites astray, and how come the Israelites are not held accountable for being so gullible?
Whatever you think of their crime - virgin sex slaves? Really? That's a moral position you support? What am I saying support? That's a moral position you worship.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 1:21 am
(June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You basing everything on what's written in a work of ancient fiction based upon tales and myths told by word of mouth for centuries before they were committed to paper and edited countless times since, a narrative with no consistency or demonstrable basis in reality. You think that makes you better than Drich, who swears by the efficacy of revelation? I'm sorry that I assumed you were a Christian.
I do not base my beliefs off of any such work; I base them off of the infallible word of God. If you’re going to assume scripture is not the word of God a priori, then I have every right to assume it is the word of God a priori, fair is fair.
Waldorff,
Is the Bible the infallible word of God?
Yes or no.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 1:59 am
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(June 21, 2013 at 12:23 am)Ryantology Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's punishment after He judged them evil, they had lead some of Israel to worship false gods.
Since fraudo has repeatedly proven less than up to the task, perhaps you can explain to me how infants and children can be evil enough to deserve being slaughtered en masse. Go into detail about how they must have certainly been complicit in whatever crime God deemed them worthy of violent and painful death.
Unsuccessful at pulling your head out of the sand.
You make bare assertions and refuse to back them up. That's all anyone has to understand. From there on in they can gauge what their response to you should be.
(June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Rationalman Wrote: What Maelstrom said: he is a dick
Maelstrom is "being" a dick.
(June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How does it prove that?
Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
Burden of proof?
Oh sorry. My bad. It doesn't apply to you guys.
Carry on...
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 2:11 am
(June 20, 2013 at 5:47 am)Esquilax Wrote: Like Littleendian, I've never lived like a christian. I've been in a church literally once in my life. 
Pray tell, what were you doing at church, my love? 
Quote: many of my google hits feature evolution since I started posting here.
Actually, we can trace back morality to beyond theism.
Thank you for sharing!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 3:06 am
(June 21, 2013 at 2:11 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Pray tell, what were you doing at church, my love? Taking their gold and giving it to the poor  Jesus-style.
"Men see clearly enough the barbarity of all ages — except their own!" — Ernest Crosby.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 3:12 am
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Esq is Jesus!?
He certainly seems to be able to walk on water!
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 3:19 am
(June 21, 2013 at 3:12 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Esq is Jesus!?
He certainly seems to be able to walk on water!
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 6:45 am
(June 21, 2013 at 1:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 21, 2013 at 12:23 am)Ryantology Wrote: Since fraudo has repeatedly proven less than up to the task, perhaps you can explain to me how infants and children can be evil enough to deserve being slaughtered en masse. Go into detail about how they must have certainly been complicit in whatever crime God deemed them worthy of violent and painful death.
Unsuccessful at pulling your head out of the sand.
You make bare assertions and refuse to back them up. That's all anyone has to understand. From there on in they can gauge what their response to you should be.
(June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Rationalman Wrote: What Maelstrom said: he is a dick
Maelstrom is "being" a dick.
(June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
Burden of proof?
Oh sorry. My bad. It doesn't apply to you guys.
Carry on...
No bare assertions here, I gave you 3 bible versus that involved slaughtering everyone including the little children and another where they killed everyone except the little virgin girls, why would they do that i wonder? It was all approved by god. If he didn't like what they did, surely he would have done something.
And yes, the burden of proof is on us when we make positive claims that god is a dick, we have given evidence for these claims, refute it.
But maybe you do not understand the burden of proof. It is on you when you claim that a god exists, we simply don't believe your claim. We don't need any evidence ourselves to disbelieve your claim, because you do not have any evidence to back up your claim. So the next time someone asks you to prove god exists, please do not reply 'prove that he doesn't'
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 10:05 am
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I never claim that God exists RM. I state that I believe he exists through faith. I fully agree that there can be no evidence to independently verify his existence. If the were then our assumptions about him would be false.
Here you are making a claim that the bible that you quote isn't saying what is written. You changed the words kill and take wives into murder and rape. You have to justify that with good reason for onlookers to be able to understand that you have a point. Simply starting it isn't good enough.
Many good and bad things are true in this world. That's nature in all of its glory. Humanity is insignificant.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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(June 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Oh? Could you please give us your a priori reasoning for thinking it to be the infallible word of God?
No reasoning required beforehand, Ryantology assumes it’s not the word of God without reason, so it’s only fair that I can do the same.
(June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
Well that’s not an accurate statement, but I’ll play along. Ok, and if God approves that, how does that prove he’s a big meanie face?
(June 20, 2013 at 7:55 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Well, he implied he actually had a reason, so, I'm calling his bluff hehehe 
Axioms are reasoned from, not reasoned to; so your question was absurd. You called what you thought was a bluff and I turned over the nuts.
(June 20, 2013 at 10:49 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You'll have to prove that your God is real before we go down that road.
According to whom? Why?
Quote:Appeal to solipsism? That's what you're going with? Pfffft
No, Reductio ad absurdum. If you applied your same skepticism you show towards God’s existence and His word to your own self you’d render all proof impossible. In fact, if your atheism were true, it’d be impossible to know anything at all, so the very fact that we can obtain knowledge is proof God exists.
(June 21, 2013 at 12:23 am)Ryantology Wrote: Since fraudo has repeatedly proven less than up to the task, perhaps you can explain to me how infants and children can be evil enough to deserve being slaughtered en masse. Go into detail about how they must have certainly been complicit in whatever crime God deemed them worthy of violent and painful death.
We all actually receive better than we deserve because we live in a Universe created by a gracious God.
(June 21, 2013 at 1:21 am)cato123 Wrote: Waldorff,
Is the Bible the infallible word of God?
Yes or no.
The originals, yes.
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