What are the best Atheistic Arguments?

[Rhizomorph13]

I've been following your goat path of a discussion with EvF and I don't get it. How many licks DOES it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? I already asked mister owl.

Rhizo

[fr0d0]

Mister owl knows nothing really. Tootsie pops are mister toad's speciality

[ecolox]

We just need evidence to suit our never-ending curiosity. Our curiosity will grow when new evidence is discovered, and rate of discoveries will increase as our curiosity grows! The origin of the universe is a HUGE step back in time, so finding the real answer will definitely take much time.

So basically you can never count on finding the real answer scientifically.

I was asked today at school: "If you do not believe in God, then what is point in living?"
My answer was: "Do we need a point to live? Does grass in the yard have a point to live?" Haha, I felt good as a puzzled look came across his face!

What will grass do in life? How does he decide?
And what will you do in life amongst all the options? How do you decide? It's different when things can consciously think, isn't it?

Things don't exist for something, they exist because of something.

If a human exists for no reason and lives for no reason (nothing reasonable) - literally, will future generations even remember that person (the hope [of fame] that many atheists have claimed)? Sounds like he'll be an example to live by for at least one little grimlin.

Also, if God knows everything, then why would he create us knowing we would FAIL

Do all people fail in the eyes of God according to the belief system you reference? Must be no, if some are "saved".

and send chosen people out to be punished for his imperfections?

Huh, what?

If we are created in the image of God, then God must have had been a human, but we are not all knowing/powerful/loving, and neither can God be.

So if Leonardo creates something in the image of a human, then the painting must be rational, emotional, etc? - otherwise humans aren't rational, emotional, etc?

If he's all loving/powerful/knowing, then he could not allow innocent people to die and for evil to cause things to happen.

Actually, if God allowed innocent people to die (in every way - physically, spiritually) - then your argument would stand. But innocent physical lives can be lost without logically preventing God from being loving, so long as God does not destroy souls. The concept of the soul logically allows God to be "3/3".

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

According to my worldview nothing needs an explaination. If there is an explaination then mores to the good. I would rather have a working, provable explaination based on evidence than resort to faith. I do understand how comforting the easy answer is though.

Rhizo

That sounds like the world's laziest worldview.

Do you understand how easy the lazy practice of not answering is? That's got to be the easiest thing to do...nothing.

Do YOU understand just what a stupidly unreflective and ignorant comment you have made? (one of many)

Here I simply can't help myself but respond;it's often much harder to remain silent. Most of the time some of us here really can't be bothered with you; it's like trying to communicate with an orangutan.

[ecolox]

We still don't know how or why life began, the fact that we exist only proves that we exist, it does not follow that God exists. Your argument falls on its ear.

I didn't claim that it proves that God existed, though His existence is logical. I mean that our existence needs an explanation, and that the answer to that question has implications on how we live.

The Raliens believe that aliens seeded our planet and that is why we are here. Why don't you agree with that?

I suppose this means we should live our lives trying to reunite with the aliens. Incomplete and irrelevant...my belief may come down to solving the personal problem I have with evil - and is intertwined with the nature of human life in this universe (love, hate, reason, etc).

Scientology teaches that the great overlord Xenu sent rockets strapped with nuclear bombs and filled with people into active volcanos here on Earth, to solve an overpopulation problem on his planets. Why don't you agree with that?

This doesn't solve the problem of evil.

Let us not forget that the Invisible Pink Unicorn(BBHH) actually made this universe(I am only telling you now because I think you are ready ) Why don't you believe in that?

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, irrelevant.

According to the Necronomicon the blind idiot god Azagthoth sits in the center of the universe consuming anything that gets near him while spontaneously creating things that fly away from him if they are lucky. Leviathan was slain and the universe is created from her dead body. Why don't you believe in that?

Irrelevant.

I could go on, but the list is enormous and I am going from memory. There are plenty of creation myths and the fact that you have chosen one does not add value to it by any measure.

These examples aren't relevant to how I'm supposed to live life (or the nature of the universe, etc), so I don't really care about them.

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According to my worldview nothing needs an explaination. If there is an explaination then mores to the good. I would rather have a working, provable explaination based on evidence than resort to faith. I do understand how comforting the easy answer is though.

Rhizo

That sounds like the world's laziest worldview.

Do you understand how easy the lazy practice of not answering is? That's got to be the easiest thing to do...nothing.

Do YOU understand just what a stupidly unreflective and ignorant comment you have made? (one of many)

Here I simply can't help myself but respond;it's often much harder to remain silent. Most of the time some of us here really can't be bothered with you; it's like trying to communicate with an orangutan.

No, of course I don't understand that what I said was stupid.

[littlegrimlin1]

So everybody, what evidence points to a god? And what evidence points towards no god?

Is a god being filled in the gaps of science we have yet to learn? Then when proof of a god filled gap is discovered, the god just gets thrown out.

If some claims that the famous fsm is out there in the woods somewhere in Africa, I'll reject the theory because nothing like that has ever been proved before, however, I will not say it does not exist. But if you want me to accept it, I better get some fucking pictures! lol

Whachall think?

[theblindferrengi]

No evidence of anything is aparently the evidence of god, but since there is lots of scientific evidence, it seems illogical to believe in god anymore.

[Retorth]

As TBF says,

When we do not understand something, it is attributed to god. The sun had a "sun god" at one point, when it rained, there was a "rain" god or a god that was pissed off and if there was a natural disaster, god was pissed off with his followers.

Now, we have technology to analyze these natural occurrences and better understand them and even predict to a certain degree. The god magically disappears.

[fr0d0]

God was never ever about anything proved by science. That is utter tosh

[amw79]

God was never ever about anything proved by science. That is utter tosh

Well, god was about superstitions attempting to provide explanations for events in the absense of knowledge (as in the belief that people got sick as punishment from god, or that lightning striking churches meant god was displeased was the parish). As knowledge increased, people's need to cite god's earthly intervention decreased; to the point where we are now, which is that god is not required to explain ongoing function of the universe. God has been pushed back to a possible "first cause" as thats the last hiding place that science is working on.

So yeah, "god was never about anything [already] proved by science", but god was used as explanation for events, which have subsequently been disproven by science

Hitchens has spoken of religion as man's first, and consequently worst, attempts at science and philosophy, and I think that just about nails it....