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[Something completely different]

lol someone knows whether or not god(s) exist?

And again you twist the words of a reply into something it didn`t mean in the first place. Dispicable and disgusting.

You have no place on this forum if see this as a justified method of discusing a subject matter.

[christcahinkilla]

no proof

i thought atheists prided themselves as reasonable people that base their perspectives on empirical findings, you're soundin a lot like a christian or some other kind of jesus fucker lol

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why u trying to shut me up gc?

you offended by what im saying? if it was ridiculous you wouldn't spend so much time on it, move on kid.

[LastPoet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCI-gNK_y4

[genkaus]

no proof

i thought atheists prided themselves as reasonable people that base their perspectives on empirical findings, you're soundin a lot like a christian or some other kind of jesus fucker lol

What do you mean no proof? There is plenty of proof. Jut look around.

[Something completely different]

no proof

i thought atheists prided themselves as reasonable people that base their perspectives on empirical findings, you're soundin a lot like a christian or some other kind of jesus fucker lol

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why u trying to shut me up gc?

you offended by what im saying? if it was ridiculous you wouldn't spend so much time on it, move on kid.

And now you completly resort into accusations based on nothing but the fantasy image swirling arround in you head.

Yes, I do want to shut you up. Because you have nothing to contribute here other than reposting the same nonsence and your refusal to engage in debate.

[pocaracas]

So.... what is an agnostic christian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...239AASQNv2
http://www.amazon.com/The-Christian-Agno...0687069807

the same thing, oxymoronic

"I know, but can't prove it so I don't know"

the maturity level is somewhat humiliating and hard to accept though...

ok, for millionth time, since you joined this forum...

Gnosis means knowledge
agnostic is someone who is aware that he/she doesn't know something.
gnostic is someone who is aware that he/she does know something.

Notice that this knowledge does not necessarily concern gods.

e.g.: I'm agnostic about the weather for tomorrow in Sidney, Australia.

Theism is about belief in god.
atheist is someone who doesn't believe that gods exist OR believes that no gods exist.
theist is someone who believes that gods exist.
A sub-class of theists are deists who believe there is a god, but it's none of the ones that have/had religions built around them. (correct me if I'm wrong on this one, everyone).

You can use both these classifiers to describe a person both on his/her belief and degree of knowledge about god.
- Some christians claim to have a relationship with god, claim to somehow interact with it.... these would be gnostic theists.
- Some christians never have such relationship, and yet they remain believers... they are agnostic theists.
- Most atheists, never claim to know that god doesn't exist. Actually, they say what you keep shouting: I don't know. However, they attribute a likelihood for a god to exist which is well below 50%, and hence do not believe in such. These are the agnostic atheists (where I think you fit)
- Then you have some people who claim to know for sure that gods don't exist. These people mostly draw the inspiration for this point of view from the inference that all gods that have ever been worship were made up by people. They then arrive at the conclusion that people made up the very concept of "god". Hence, it just does not exist as a real entity, like Harry Potter or Sauron. These are the gnostic atheists.

I'm sure it is possible to categorize people in more degrees, like Dawkins scale:

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In the end, I guess what I'm trying to say is that each individual is not a black or white entity like you suggest.... there are many many shades of gray.

[christcahinkilla]

lol counter the argument then instead of accusing me of refusing to debate, i think your dictator mind needs to reexamine the principles of debate friend,

argument:

no person on this planet has knowledge of whether or not gods exist.

what do you believe/conclude then?

gods exist - true/false or I don't know

it's a matter of intellect here.

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not everything is black and white as you suggest...there are many shades of grey

and there are many colors once you can get out of that shell too, and where did i suggest black and white?

[genkaus]

lol counter the argument then instead of accusing me of refusing to debate, i think your dictator mind needs to reexamine the principles of debate friend,

argument:

no person on this planet has knowledge of whether or not gods exist.

what do you believe/conclude then?

gods exist - true/false or I don't know

it's a matter of intellect here.

Counter: many people on this planet have knowledge of whether or not gods exist. Your argument fails.

[christcahinkilla]

that was brutal genkaus...

knowledge is a big word, your using it the way that religious ppl do. i like my definition of the word knowledge to involve the concept of irrefutable proof. that's because im an intellectual and reason based person.

[pocaracas]

not everything is black and white as you suggest...there are many shades of grey

and there are many colors once you can get out of that shell too, and where did i suggest black and white?

Black and white.
Gnostic of agnostic.
And, to you, the only valid position is agnostic.