(July 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: Last I checked parents have the right to teach their children what they believe to be best for the children.

As far as I am concerned, indoctrination of the youth is abhorrent child abuse.

Your opinion has no sway with the rights of the parent to teach their child what they believe is best for their children. Our public schools are trying to indoctrinate the children of this country, the parents are not allowed to keep their children away from it if they can not afford to. The poor are being taken advantage of because they are poor, in what right thinking community is that right.

(July 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's judgement is coming on this world again, this will be the final judgement.

Quote:Yeah, you silly theists have been saying the same thing for more than two thousand years. Go shout it from a street corner where you will be properly viewed as the mad individual you are.

We do and you've been warned, God expects no more from us on that matter, the ball is in your court.

(July 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: the ball is in your court.

There is no ball, just as there is no god.

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(July 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: Our public schools are trying to indoctrinate the children of this country

You must mean that the public schools are attempting to secularly educate the children, but I can understand how you would easily confuse that with indoctrination. After all, you erroneously think there is real educational value in religion.

(July 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 9:11 am)Maelstrom Wrote: 1. I am angry that little children are told that they will go to hell if they don't believe in the Bible.

If they are taught that they are not being taught Christianity.

VERY, VERY True.

The Bible teaches you that anyone that did not accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior is going to hell due to original sin. Because we are all BORN into sin. We are ALL original born sinners. Tainted with sin from birth. And NOTHING can wash that away but the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And that doesn't happen until you accept him as your personal savior.

Christianity teaches you that if you are not old enough to understand the concepts you go to heaven when you die. Even if you are a baby that never accepted Christ. Now how does this occur really?

The teachings of Christianity and the Bible stand in stark contrast to each other.

Nothing in the Bible teaches Christians that babies go to Heaven.

Care to share the verse?

Because I can share several that plainly state you CAN NOT go to heaven unless you consciously accept Jesus as your personal savior.

Babies that die go to hell according to scripture by all implication. There's nothing giving them a back door out of that fact.

Unless you can provide all of us with what that back door is. Feel free. My bible is ready to be read.

If the teachings of "Christianity" are true and babies do go to heaven, but the scripture of the Bible is true that wide is the path to destruction but narrow is the path to heaven, or whatever it says, it plainly states that the vast majority of humans are going to hell. But if all babies that die as babies go to heaven... well we should kill every baby we can find, right?

I mean that makes sense. Most of those babies, if they grow up, will spend an eternity in hell. Just kill them in the crib and they all go to Heaven then. Right?

I'm going to hell right? Most likely? Because I reject all this crap. This "bible" and this "christ". I'm heading straight for hell. But if you, GodsChild, had killed me in my crib, when I was a baby, you would have granted me an eternity in Heaven.

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(July 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: Your opinion has no sway with the rights of the parent to teach their child what they believe is best for their children.

Yeah. I remember shaking, literally shaking, as a 7 year old kid in mortal fear of dieing and going to hell before I finally fell asleep in bed at night.

[mocking tone]Your opinion has no sway with the rights of the parent to whip their child until they bleed if they believe it is best for their children.[/mocking tone]

Oh, wait we do make laws against that last sentence. It's so much more obvious to make laws against what we can visually witness compared to what kind of psychological damage you are inflicting on your innocent offspring.

We're still a primitive culture. In a hundred years, or two hundred, to inflict such mental torture on a child will be a serious crime.

(July 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: If they are taught that they are not being taught Christianity.

You don't see what you wrote there as conflicting with what you write two minutes later:

No, why should you, there is no conflict.

GC Wrote:God's judgement is coming on this world again, this will be the final judgement.

Quote:I doubt that you are really being honest with the first one. Many branches of Christianity (and almost all branches of Baptists) teach that hell awaits those who don't accept Jesus. Maybe you are nitpicking over the language used, but obviously if you don't believe in the bible you don't believe in Jesus. It's silly to have to state it but even sillier to claim that Christianity isn't teaching it.

Accepting Jesus as one's savior has nothing to do with scriptures, many found Christ long before the Bible was canonized, even before the NT was written. Teaching one to believe that hell awaits them if they do not believe the Bible, is no different than teaching one they will go to heaven if they believe in the Bible. Christ is the key to salvation and that key also opens the scriptures to us for understanding, salvation is given by grace and not the works of man, salvation does not depend on one ever reading scripture. When one believes in Christ then one will believe the scriptures. Yes Christian parents teach their children to believe scriptures, but they do not teach they have to believe to stay out of hell, they have to believe to find Christ.

(July 25, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes Christian parents teach their children to believe scriptures, but they do not teach they have to believe to stay out of hell, they have to believe to find Christ.

And what do they teach will happen if they don't find Christ?

(July 25, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Accepting Jesus as one's savior has nothing to do with scriptures, many found Christ long before the Bible was canonized, even before the NT was written. Teaching one to believe that hell awaits them if they do not believe the Bible, is no different than teaching one they will go to heaven if they believe in the Bible. Christ is the key to salvation and that key also opens the scriptures to us for understanding, salvation is given by grace and not the works of man, salvation does not depend on one ever reading scripture. When one believes in Christ then one will believe the scriptures. Yes Christian parents teach their children to believe scriptures, but they do not teach they have to believe to stay out of hell, they have to believe to find Christ.

You can dress up the message in all the shiny happy language you want, it doesn't change what it is. What it does do, is expose the fundamental dishonesty in your position: you can't deny that you teach children about the hell- the threat - that awaits them if they don't accept this stuff as fact, so what do you do, you try and twist it: "Well yeah, but there's a heaven too."

So what? Who cares if there's also a carrot? You're beating your kids with a stick.

Quote:7. I am angry that wives who are abused are told to submit to abusive husbands in church because that's what the Bible says.

http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.c...pline.html

Quote:When administering physical discipline, take caution not to deliver the lashes anywhere but the buttocks. The first attempt at this punishment should only be delivered by hand so you can get an idea of how many lashings are needed. The best position will be for you to sit at the end of a bed or on a chair (with no arms) and have her lay across your lap. She can also bend over a bed with arms tucked under her chest and your left hand on the small of her back. If a strap (belt) is to be implemented watch that each stoke falls directly on the buttocks and not higher. EDITOR'S NOTE: When using the hand, or a small, short implement, such as a switch or small "hairbrush"-type paddle, over-the-knee positioning can work quite well.

A fearful wife may begin crying or pleading and find it difficult to remain still. Reassure her. of your intent and love (yes this will hurt, that is why it is a punishment) then instruct her to be still. Remind her that she is not in control of this discipline. You should continue the lashing through her tears and pleas for you to stop, until you are certain the message was received. This will insure her remorse and therefore stop the undesirable behavior.

A sound lashing is five to ten strokes with your hand, or three to five strokes with a strap; some wives need more. To avoid brusing do not strike the same area in repetition. Gauge your decision to proceed based on your wife's readiness to repent.

No, that is not a Poe site. How I wish it were.

(July 25, 2013 at 11:06 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes Christian parents teach their children to believe scriptures, but they do not teach they have to believe to stay out of hell, they have to believe to find Christ.

And what do they teach will happen if they don't find Christ?

We teach Christ and say that hell is a real place for those who reject Him. We actually would rather people to come to know Christ through love not fear. So you see we show that hell is there and for the unbelievers. We do not hide that fact we don't dwell on it as a teaching.

(July 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: We actually would rather people to come to know Christ through love not fear.

God: I love you, but only if you love me in return. If you do not love me, I will send you to hell.

That is far from love.

(July 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(July 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: We actually would rather people to come to know Christ through love not fear.

God: I love you, but only if you love me in return. If you do not love me, I will send you to hell.

That is far from love.

You really need to read the Bible, you are continually screwing up, God loves everyone regardless of what they do, He loves you so much that when one chooses hell He gives them what they choose. He does this even though He would rather have you living in heaven. He forgoes His desire so that you can have your desire. Like a loving parent forgoes things they want, to give their children what they want, both instances are loving.