Did They Not Pray Hard Enough

[Drich]

Just a quick note about prayer: Ever notice how Protestants are quick to point out that bible verse about not repeating or reciting prayers by memory (a dig at Catholics who do just that) but yet they tend to recite the Lord's Prayer because Jesus said to?

No one said anything about reciting the Lord's prayer. What Christ modeled was a format in which one is to use and apply their own personal deatails that conform to this model.

Instead of sayingur Father in heaven,[a]
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.[b]
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.”

A prayer modeled ofter the Lord's prayer might look or sound something like this:
My Father God I lift up your name with song and praise, Fill my heart with joy and comfort in the knoweledge that you and only you sit on the throne in Heaven. I ask that my words be heard, and the intentions be known, Lord I ask that my heart be broken, molded and or out right changed, so that my will becomes your will.

Lord you know my needs better than I do, I asked that you give me what I need so I can accomplish what you have me do today, but not to give me so much that I become lazy proud or arrogant. I also ask that you make me a servant that is responsiable with what you've given me, so I can be blessed with more, so I can do more, and accomplish greater things in your name.

Father God I ask that you forgive my sins only if I can truly forgive those who have sinned against me. Remind me lord of my sins so I do not become proud or like the unmerciful servant. Father I ask that you keep me away from those things that we both know I can not resist, and help me stay focoused and strong when tempatation comes. Lord protect me from my enmies and yours alike. help me provide a way to accomplish your will for my life. It is for these things I pray in Christ's Name, Amen.

Chris't model prayer was given as a template so one could plug in his own weakness and or level of understanding, it is not meant to be a chant.

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Please bear with me, this is my first post on these particular forums and i'm still trying to work out the etiquette.

We've had this discussion before. Short answer is: God is a title and not a Name. As in God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Or If you perfer something a little more trestial It's like saying Mr, president. We only have one president that is head up the United States, but many different indivisuals have held that office and shared that title.

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other"

But when Jesus was on earth there were 2 as he was also god according to your interpretation? You can't have 2 "Mr Presidents" at the same time.

H W Bush, W Bush, Clintion, Carter, Obama all Share the same title. To this day all of these men are refered to as "Mr. President." Yet the US Still only has one president.

These men have been seperated by their terms as to when they were considered the current president. The Father, Spirit and Son are seperated by their roles. The bible tells us all are 'current' God.

One title (God) 3 Persons of God.

Or if the president thing is becomming too confusing, One Goverment of the United States 3 Branches.

The word 'goverment' acts like a title that describes the three branches.

[Tonus]

It's not a sin to ask God for things, it's just not prayer.

Indeed, Daily Bread is what God wants you to ask for. Which makes it a prayer.

That is confusing. Asking god for things is not prayer, but asking for bread makes it a prayer. Unless you mean that deviating from the template (ie, asking for anything that isn't daily bread) negates the prayer. But in texts like the one Min quoted, there are no specifics and only one requirement (have faith). As with so much of the Bible, this leaves the "rules" of prayer open to many interpretations.

I know, I know... everyone else has it wrong.

[StuW]

"In the U.S., the title is reserved for the current President and should not be used for former Presidents. Although when addressing a former president, it is proper to use the title in an honorary sense." [wikipedia] (I know, not an official source, but i'm not American so had to check on the details)

So Yahweh being the original God and Jesus being the second are now only called God in an honorary sense and the presiding god is now the holy spirit?

Or

There are now 3 "entities" all sat in heaven called using the title God? surely that means there are more than one God? Also, another entity can also come along and claim to be god?

This seems to be what you are saying.

[Bad Writer]

Drich, there's a time when you need to concede some of these bad ideas of yours, if not completely shrug off the burden of Christianity entirely. When a passage in your Holy Book defines prayer as asking God for things that you need in order to get them, how is that not the way we should understand the biblical version of prayer?

[Minimalist]

When one turns to the bible to see what it says on things like prayer one can not cherry pickk or limit one's self to just on passage on the subject being discussed

So you are saying that "jesus" is a liar?

How many knots did you put in your scrotum trying to come up with that bit of bullshit.

Try to get it through your thick head that when "jesus" addresses a crowd ( since you obviously believe he did so ) he was speaking to a bunch of illiterate peasant assholes who were not fact-checking the story against his book which was not written until long after your god boy's death...assuming he ever lived.

I appreciate how you are able to smooth this shit over so that it looks like a delicious chocolate cream pie but you are only fooling yourself.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Now, if they had survived...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - The youth pastor of an Indianapolis church and his pregnant wife were among the three survivors in this weekend's bus crash, a church leader said Sunday.

Youth pastor Chad Phelps and his wife, Courtney Phelps, are expecting their second child next month, Colonial Hills Baptist Church deacon Jeff Leffew said at a news conference. Chad Phelps is the son of the church's main pastor, Charles Phelps.

Tonya Weindorf, a mother of five who was a chaperone on the trip to the northern Michigan youth camp, also survived, Leffew said.

"God must have been with them! We celebrate the fact that they're here now. Their prayers were answered! Blessed be the Lord! Blessed be the Lord!" Leffew said.

But since they died, nobody cites God.

[Minimalist]

Can you then imagine the reasoning the baptist shitballs would come up with for their god killing a busload of teenagers?

[Cinjin]

Can you then imagine the reasoning the baptist shitballs would come up with for their god killing a busload of teenagers?

Christards don't have to.

The beauty of being a christard is that you simply ignore everything and tell people that "god has a plan - we can't understand it - because he's so magnificent - are minds are too small." ... well actually that last part, I agree with. Sheep have tiny tiny little minds.

[Minimalist]

God is a dick.

[Cinjin]