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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
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August 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm by Silver.)
(August 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm)discipulus Wrote: How did this common ancestor originate and from what/who? We do not yet know what the common ancestor is, but I imagine it evolved the same way all life evolved on the planet.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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Also, you really need to get it into your head that beliefs can fall into a number of varying degrees of certainty. Sometimes one sides with what they have better reasons to think is true, and not what is nominally true. Do you understand?
  (August 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: God created whatever laws of physics you're talking about from nothing. Science and what we know of the universe is limited to studying the physical laws God made and is therefore irrelevant to this. Why? Because you say so? It's hardly irrelevant to the question of your two premises that "your" "proof" (i.e. the one you lifted from WLC) depends on. It fucking invalidates both of them, rendering "your" (i.e. WLC's) conclusion both invalid and unsound. I'll also note that your reply here is fallacious question begging of the highest order.  RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm
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(August 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Nope, those physical laws are a part of the universe. Try again. You're gonna need a shovel to dig yourself out of the hole you've voluntarily jumped into. ...God created the physical laws when he created the universe, along with all the physical dimensions such as space and time. That's the point here those laws don't exist beyond our own universe, God is beyond them and not a part of them. (August 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Why? Because you say so? No not because I say so but because this is how the Christian God created the universe, this is the theology here. Quote:It's hardly irrelevant to the question of your two premises that "your" "proof" (i.e. the one you lifted from WLC) depends on. I "lifted it" from ancient Church doctrine on the nature of God as the creator of the universe not WLC. Besides you haven't explained the logical inconsistency in this theology. This appears to hold up better than your alternative of a universe without a creator/cause which apparently began to exist by itself for no reason. Really? Why do you think that? Quote: It fucking invalidates both of them, rendering "your" (i.e. WLC's) conclusion both invalid and unsound. The alternative to God you're endorsing makes no damn sense at all and is easily just much your own opinion as God would be mine! Apparently it's not an opinion if it's your own opinion. One rule for you and another rule for everyone else eh?
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August 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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(August 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm)discipulus Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Science / physics quiz time! The correct answers to the the two questions above are the only "debate" the KCA requires. It renders the assertions made in the first two premises false (or at least, unknowable). We've here have been there, and done that many times before. The argument isn't even particularly interesting in light of modern physics. Edited to add: Also - I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a fork.  RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm
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@SoC Your baseless assertion remains baseless.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm
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(August 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Nope, those physical laws are a part of the universe. Try again. You're gonna need a shovel to dig yourself out of the hole you've voluntarily jumped into. This is what you are doing God (blank) Universe (Which contains its laws) Nice try, but that's just an amusing aside. (August 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm)discipulus Wrote: If you would like to debate the Kalam with me, I would be glad to. Been there, done that. http://www.debate.org/debates/The-Christ...he-KCA./1/ |
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