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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
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 (August 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If something begins to exist then something caused it to exist. What caused your god to begin to exist?
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  (August 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Do you understand now? Your argument might as well just show that "stuff exists, and used to be other stuff" QED. You are missing your point by a LONG shot. Chicken Egg omelette Baseball player Ball, Bat, Park Homerun Daddy and Mommy Sperm and seed Baby Carpenter Wood Table God (blank) Universe Do you understand? Ignoring it won't make it go away.   (August 26, 2013 at 11:59 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: Secondly, I have already told you, that given the evidence in favor of abiogenesis producing amino acids which are the building blocks of life, and the lack of evidence in favor of a magical appearance from dust, I find the former to be much more believable. That being said, I don't have enough knowledge to say that one or the other are absolutely true. I am not asking you if you are absolutely certain about your views. Nor am I asking you to comment on whether or not you think your views are absolutely true. All I am asking is what do you believe is the more plausible explanation for our origination. You attribute it to abiogenesis or life arising from non-living organic compounds whose molecules contained carbon. Life from non living matter..... Ok, now moving on let me ask you to confirm that you believe that what most people have traditionally referred to as the "mind" is simply a word that refers to the various chemical reactions that occur within the brain and that the concept is reducible in purely materialistic terms. Is this correct?  RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm by Sword of Christ.)
Carpenter
Wood Table God Creation of the physical laws Universe God creates the physical laws but isn't himself part of the physical laws he created. Likewise the carpenter doesn't exist as the wood he carved into a table. (August 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Science / physics quiz time! God created whatever laws of physics you're talking about from nothing. Science and what we know of the universe is limited to studying the physical laws God made and is therefore irrelevant to this.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
(August 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: 1) Everything that begins to exist has a cause If you would like to debate the Kalam with me, I would be glad to.  (August 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Do you understand now? Your argument might as well just show that "stuff exists, and used to be other stuff" QED. You are missing your point by a LONG shot. ok, let's try this. What is the meaning of "Object A exists before time exists" ? Cause and effect cannot be applied so linearly to the Universe's origin. Some claim that space and time began with the big bang. There is no "before" the big bang. Now, for something completely different. Some 50 thousand years ago, when mankind first thought about the wonders of the cosmos and arrived at "the only logical answer" of goddidit... what did these people know of the Universe that would have them arrive at such a conclusion? As far as I'm aware, they had no notion of the expansion of the Universe, hence no idea of a big bang, and so knew nothing of the beginning of the Universe. How did they do it?  Quote:If the universe wasn't fined tuned then my car was made by a tornado running through a junkyard, it just happened to come together the way it did, created by the physical laws of nature it was. Before you bring up evolution that was entirely dependent on the laws of nature being what they were to begin with and that is what I'm referring to. Ever heard of anthropomorphism? If the universe was any other way, you probably wouldn't be here to be making these nonsensical assertions.. that does NOT imply a creator, just that this is how it is and very likely the only way it can be! (August 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm)discipulus Wrote: Ok, now moving on let me ask you to confirm that you believe that what most people have traditionally referred to as the "mind" is simply a word that refers to the various chemical reactions that occur within the brain and that the concept is reducible in purely materialistic terms. What you've just done is attempted to switch the burden of proof. If I tell you there's a new kind of gravity, it's not on you to prove that yours is the only one. If all we know is material, then it follows that the brain, a physical entity, is completely bound by the laws of nature, and therein material itself. |
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