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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
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 RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 5:58 pm by Sword of Christ.)
God created the universe which has various natural laws, he didn't create it from anything.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
Still missing a step there. Keep lying to yourself though. Feels good for a brief moment, doesn't it?
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 (August 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Ok here's my work. The unstated assumption is that god did not begin to exist. This throws a massive wrench into your calculations, so you simply make an exception for god. This doesn't explain how a being who must be indescribably complex could just always be there. Trying to dismiss this problem by shunting him off into a magical realm simply makes the problem worse.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(August 26, 2013 at 5:58 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Still missing a step there. Keep lying to yourself though. Feels good for a brief moment, doesn't it? Missing what step? You'll have to explain. God created the universe from nothing not from a previously existing substance. All the substances that exist anywhere have their ultimate origin with God. Everything has to come from something and that something is God. What would be the alternative? That everything doesn't come from anything? But we know that's not how it works. (August 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: And you reach this conclusion by..... what? Same way you reached the conclusion that the universe is all that exists or ever existed but in reverse.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
Hey Sword, don't ignore me, how do you know that god exists?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
You've placed god into your calculations without proving he exists. You can't make apple pie without apples.
RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(August 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Hey Sword, don't ignore me, how do you know that god exists? How do you know he doesn't? I believe God exists and you don't. The reasons I believe God exists are being covered.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (August 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: How do you know he doesn't? I believe God exists and you don't. Typical evasive techniques. Answer the fucking question How do you know that God exists?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 6:09 pm by Bad Writer.)
We don't care that god exists because it's not our claim. You brought it up, SoC, so you need to prove your claim. Shifting the Burden of Proof isn't taken lightly here.
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