God's sacrifice

[Ace Otana]

That God should make a life void of emotion/ sorrow/ pain/ sufferring.

From what I've seen in this world, if a god was behind it all I must honestly say he has fuck a lot of things up.

Yours is another way of looking at the same problem. I have my guide book and hero. You just have what's in your head. ME: This life is what we have.

Your book was made thousands of years ago by strong believers putting in their beliefs into a book and claiming it was from god. It's old and is far from up to date knowledge. It was made in the time where superstiton ruled. I'd look at the world from an up to date method of knowledge building through science. It's more reliable I think.

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I'm going to finish this off. Let's go back to when religion ruled the world.

Many times women were directly responsible for lightning striking churches and it was beyond anyone at the time to understand how lightning works. churches happen to be the tallest structures around and are a prime target. Lightning is trying to reach the ground and will go through any object in order to get to the ground. The taller the building the bigger the chance of a lightning strike. Sadly the religious nutcases murdered many because of their lack of knowledge of energy. They thought it was witchcraft and even rage from god. Science came along and put up a lightning rod that sends the energy elsewhere instead of going through the building. So that's score 1 for science.

How about the killing of non-believers? The inquisition? Kill everyone who doesn't hold your beliefs. Stoning people.

The christian view back then is far different from now. Back then it was ok to drown women, stone children. Just as long the reason is of a religious one. Ever heard of sticks turning into snakes? Talking donkeys? Burning bush? Remember, these people were highly religious and superstition ruled everything. No science, no real understanding of their surroundings. They believed earth was the centre of the universe. Why isn't that belief still around? You can answer that one. Science moves forward and religion falls back. God is the imaginary being used to answer questions for which no one has the answer to. Until science comes along and answers that question of course. For which then god does what he does best....disappears!

[fr0d0]

From what I've seen in this world, if a god was behind it all I must honestly say he has fuck a lot of things up.

You want fairytale or science

Your book was made thousands of years ago by strong believers putting in their beliefs into a book and claiming it was from god. It's old and is far from up to date knowledge. It was made in the time where superstiton ruled. I'd look at the world from an up to date method of knowledge building through science. It's more reliable I think.

Science doesn't cover it. You have to make a lot up to cover what religion and science combined cover. I have avery logical system. What do you have?

[Ace Otana]

Science doesn't cover it. You have to make a lot up to cover what religion and science combined cover. I have avery logical system. What do you have?

Science covers as much as it can cover. Religion covers everything because you assert that it is true regardless of lack of evidence. Religion covers everything but it is far from accurate. It's guess work.

Also it is not logical to believe in god. I assume you believe god is non-temporal.
Now I can easily say Santa is non-temporal and it was him who created everything and that he matches your god in everything. All loving, all knowing and all powerful. Now what if every imaginable character is non-temporal and have all the powers of your god but is god but with each character holding a unique personality. Could you disprove any of them? You can't. Believing in god is no more different from believing in any imaginable character. God is no different from any imaginable character unless evidence is found. Which is impossible because he is non-temporal and normally when the word "non-temporal" is used the debate should end. Since it's far beyond scientific observation or any other method of confirmation.

[fr0d0]

Religion doesn't cover science. What religion does cover is entirely logical.

You've been over the temporal nature of God with Arcanus and we've learned why what is not actually coherent with our definition of God isn't actually God.

[Ace Otana]

Religion doesn't cover science. What religion does cover is entirely logical.

You've been over the temporal nature of God with Arcanus and we've learned why what is not actually coherent with our definition of God isn't actually God.

I remain with what I've said before. Definitions or not. God is no more different from any other imaginable character. I will not consider god a possibility without considering every other imaginable character a possibility as well.

[Edwardo Piet]

Why should one imaginary character be chosen over any other, Book or no Book? And why should the Bible be credited any more than the FSM Gospel? Isn't it kind of like a raffle of imaginary characters and some are just much more popular than others?

They are indeed all possibilities, but are any of them probable ones?

EvF

[fr0d0]

I remain with what I've said before. Definitions or not. God is no more different from any other imaginable character. I will not consider god a possibility without considering every other imaginable character a possibility as well.

Isn't that to deny the individual characteristic of every character though Ace?

So Evie.. you see no difference between the logical probability between the FSM and God? Seriously?

[Edwardo Piet]

Can the characteristics of a character prove its reality I wonder? And if so, is there an example of that?

EvF

[Ace Otana]

Isn't that to deny the individual characteristic of every character though Ace?

So Evie.. you see no difference between the logical probability between the FSM and God? Seriously?

Characteristics prove fuck all. The question I ask is WHAT makes god more probable than any other billions of imaginable characters? Neither of them can be disproved and to support one is to support all without evidence to separate fiction from fact. This is why evidence is so important. Without it, god is nothing more than a dot merged with countless dots that is nothing more than imaginary characters.
Personalities, characteristics doesn't mean one imaginary friend is more real than any other. Regardless what people have written in some old book.

[Edwardo Piet]

So Evie.. you see no difference between the logical probability between the FSM and God? Seriously?

Why should I? Why would an invisible intangible God in man's image be any more likely than one in the image of spaghetti? I don't think humans are any more special than spaghetti, I know of no evidence for objective meaning in reality. We have no special place here. We are completely insignificant to this magnificent universe. And the magnificence of it is my subjective opinion

EvF