God's sacrifice

[Violet]

Well, we are special in that we can choose to eat spaghetti or not All of life is special for that one power (choice)

Most primitive religions imagine an animal form to represent the creator

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't believe in Free Will Sae. Any thought of life being special, is the opinion of those who are living

I know of no evidence for any purpose to the universe, objectively speaking. Any purpose is in the mind. Just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I believe in Freedom and Will, but not Free Will. I don't believe our wills are free. I believe our choices are entirely mechanical, and that we are biological robots.

EvF

[Violet]

So I am not free to type whatever I desire to type... there is some sort of greater force out there that knows everything I will type, in every instance? The sun is special because it generates heat and light... but it is true that everything is valueless without something to appreciate it (Which makes life special, because unlike rocks: the living can appreciate the universe)

[theblindferrengi]

You are only responding to stimuli from your environment. Because you are sentient, that process becomes infinitely more complex, as you get stimuli from everything, and alot of it is in the form of an idea that goes into one side of the machine [you] and on the other side comes out: f(idea) [your opinion or idea from the input]. Nobody knows what you will type, but if you plugged the variables (there would be billions) into a supercomputer, it could predict what you would type. Unfourtunatly, a powerful enough supercomputer has yet to be built.

[Edwardo Piet]

So I am not free to type whatever I desire to type... there is some sort of greater force out there that knows everything I will type, in every instance?

You might type, you might not. Whatever you are doing you are just doing, mechanically. If you believe you have a free choice in the matter, that doesn't make it so.

You are either typing or not typing. Whether you decide or not is your brain doing the work. Don't separate your 'self' from your brain. Your 'self', "you" are your brain, unless you believe in souls or something.

You can't control your brain, because your brain is the part of you that does the controling. I know no evidence of a part of your brain that does all the commanding, and then in return is somehow not influenced by anything else, as if somehow exempt from usual physical law. I see no reason to believe that your choices, my choices, anyone or any thing's choices, are "free."

The sun is special because it generates heat and light... but it is true that everything is valueless without something to appreciate it (Which makes life special, because unlike rocks: the living can appreciate the universe)

It makes life special to those who appreciate it. There is nothing objectively special, so some may not appreciate it. With some it may even be quite the opposite. Some people even kill themselves for instance. So it is subjective. And the fact some appreciate it doesn't make it any way special in an objective way, because that's just your subjective opinion

EvF

[fr0d0]

So Evie.. you see no difference between the logical probability between the FSM and God? Seriously?

Why should I? Why would an invisible intangible God in man's image be any more likely than one in the image of spaghetti? I don't think humans are any more special than spaghetti, I know of no evidence for objective meaning in reality. We have no special place here. We are completely insignificant to this magnificent universe. And the magnificence of it is my subjective opinion

I don't think we're anything special either. You say (elsewhere) that you haven't considered Christianity (/religion) much at all yet you feel confident in asserting that 'God' is no different to the FSM? I find that presumptuous and dismissive. If I professed my lack of knowledge on something I wouldn't then publicly display my ignorance. You're proud to wear the atheist badge which then justifies this pure bigotry.

[Ace Otana]

You say (elsewhere) that you haven't considered Christianity (/religion) much at all yet you feel confident in asserting that 'God' is no different to the FSM?

It doesn't matter since without evidence it would be irrational to pick an imaginary friend over countless others based on baseless assertions.
God is no different from Allah, Thor, Zeus, Odin, FSM, Santa, easter bunny, talking wardrobes or even the god Ra. To consider the christian god is also to consider every other imaginable character as well. It's called being open minded. Weigh up the evidence and see if they all point to the same conclusion. Point to the same imaginary friend. In which case there is no evidence and so nothing points to any particular character. Descriptions, definitions, characteristic and books change nothing. You can have as many definitions in your imaginary friend as you want but this doesn't make it more real.

The possibility of god being real is the same as that of any other imaginary being.