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God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Recently had an dicussion with an Christian girl who's got a younger sister who is disabled. This of course tested her faith. How on earth can a loving God allow someone to suffer like that. An all loving God would cure her right? After some soul searching she came to the conclusion that God made her little sister like that so that she could become a better (and stronger) person.
Funny how an all powerfull, all loving God would allow people to die/live in such bad ways.
Also, if God knew us even before we were born and had our whole life planned, why did he allow people like Hitler, etc. to be born in the first place
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Because he's a mentally unstable sadist?  Funny how God disables some people, so that others feel stronger...
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:43 pm
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I'm back. Sooner than I said I would. Had a good break from listening to endless bullshit.
I know how people question their faith due to people's suffering. If god could of prevented it, he should if he is to be at all moral or decent. Failure to do so would either mean he can but won't which would mean he isn't all loving, can't and so doesn't which means he isn't all powerful or he doesn't know which means he isn't all knowing.
I used to suffer from asthma and badly, but thankfully I grew out of it. As time went by my asthma slowly died off. I once had to go to hospital since it was that bad. I'd still run, bike and swim even if that caused it. I didn't want it to control me.
Now a young lass that I know of who was about my age has asthma but hers is far stronger than mine. In fact, just about anything triggers her asthma. Now what I couldn't bare was to watch her suffer. If this is gods idea of perfection then I'm not impressed. I was feeling terribly guilty watching her suffer. I no longer have asthma but she does. Turns out, her asthma may be a permanent thing for her. I desperately wanted to help her out but there was nothing I could do to help. If god exists and is how theists describe the twat, then surely he could just click his fingers and help her out. That convinced me more than anything that if god is real, he is far from all loving. Even if he was proven to be real, I wouldn't worship the git.
Turns out, the lass was a theist.
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Quote:Funny how an all powerfull, all loving God would allow people to die/live in such bad ways.
God seems to be a bit of a douchebag!
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Maybe he doesn't have nasty negative feelings, maybe he's not an evil God in that sense. Maybe he is completely devoid of emotion altogether. After all, he's apparently perfect, why would he need feelings? Why would he need to care? He's perfect so he doesn't need anything at all, our troubles are completely insignificant, he's 100% self-fullfilled, he doesn't need anything, he's perfect.
Just to play Devil's Advocate of course.
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 4:57 pm
So God is a computer? He's just following his 'perfect' programming?
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I guess.
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm
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(September 28, 2009 at 4:53 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Maybe he doesn't have nasty negative feelings, maybe he's not an evil God in that sense. Maybe he is completely devoid of emotion altogether. After all, he's apparently perfect, why would he need feelings? Why would he need to care? He's perfect so he doesn't need anything at all, our troubles are completely insignificant, he's 100% self-fullfilled, he doesn't need anything, he's perfect.
Just to play Devil's Advocate of course.
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Oh good one but you missed something. God is supposedly all knowing. So he'd know what pain is like, how suffering felt and would also know how to remove all of that. To know everything means exactly that. It's because he knows everything that is to be known about it means failure to help or even think of that persons pain would be at most careless and would mean far from all loving. So why bother worshiping him?
Here's another point. God created everything right? Well that would mean he created cancer, tumas, blindness, pain, depression and everything that would full under the category of negative/unpleasant. Can't be all loving can he? All in all.....god is one big selfish arsehole.
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 5:11 pm
If he knows everything, indeed he knows what pain is like. But since he is 100% perfect he doesn't need anything, so he doesn't need to care that it hurts, and since he is omnipotent it cannot hurt him either. So despite his knowledge and the fact he knows how much horror is in the world, why would he care? He could intellectually know how bad the pain is, without actually giving a shit because he's perfect, and he therefore doesn't need to. He doesn't need to care about anything, he's, apparently, perfect. Emotion is petty to him, everything is. In fact, he doesn't need to do anything if he's perfect. So 1. Why would he need to create the universe in the first place if he was perfect already and didn't need to, and 2. If creating the universe is what fulfilled him, and made him perfect, then from then on, being perfect, he wouldn't need to actually do anything further, so no wonder he doesn't bother to do anything. He's done his job and he's apparently perfect and 100% fulfilled now.
If he doesn't give a shit, that doesn't make him selfish. Because he doesn't care about himself either if he's perfect, he doesn't need to. He's fulfilled. He doesn't need emotions. He's like a computer.
A super-perfect computer could understand how emotions feel, without needing to actually care because it's perfect. Emotions would be insignificant to it, it would merely know how they feel because it knows everything, because that's part of it's infinite perfection.
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RE: God's sacrifice
September 28, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Mmm think we missed an easy sollution to our problem here: Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours...
Yet many people (including Christians) still die of hunger, aids, violence, etc. Just comes to show you that God allows evil to exist and sitting back while people die. Not a loving God at all!
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