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Faith, Hope & Love?
#31
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 12:10 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(August 21, 2013 at 10:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: The lack of these "said" virtues is what I am driving at in this thread! Atheist don't want them! "faith" & "hope" are for weaklings, and "love" is for fucking.
So essentially you were doing exactly what you've been accused of in this thread. Your denials of having an ulterior motive, of being vindictive, was just a lie.

Not to mention being a classic example of the typical Christian "you're either one of us or you ain't shit." I guess as a Hindu, I don't know jack about love and hope and faith unless I got it off some Christian. And I suppose the same holds for Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Confucianist's, Jain's, and every other religion that isn't Cathoholism. If you ain't Catholic, I guess it's impossible to have any virtues without stealing them from a Catholic.

And he wonders why we question whether he actually possesses these or any other virtues?


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#32
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 20, 2013 at 11:20 pm)ronedee Wrote: Are these just pirated Christian "words"? Or do they have any meaning to you at all?

1. Can you have Faith in anything/anyone (as an anti-?), or is it just a word? Is having Faith(in anything) always a let-down, as so many claim?

2. And Hope? Is that just another word like Faith, or does it mean something very different? Hope is very powerful to many people with, and w/o religion. Is it "false" hope that keeps them going? Or is it real in any sense?

3. Love. What is that? Isn't it more than an emotion ....really? Is there any amount of words, phrases, adjectives that can truly describe LOVE, other than the experience itself? I mean, love can do so many things, on so many levels! And effect/affect us in so many ways! It's probably the strongest experience we will ever know besides death itself.

Why are these: virtues/values/emotions/words etc. so important to everyone regardless of religion?

Is it logical to have these virtues; with the many things they spawn? Is it a function of social necessity? Or a tool to manipulate for personal gain and profit? Would we be better off w/o them? Would we be human w/o them. Where do they fit in your evolution of man? i.e. Did one day the "ape" wake-up and not want to eat its young?

Whats your take on these very powerful words, and their effect on our lives? Gut, not textbook, please!

The pity is that there are some actually very good questions buried in this post but the way that you have expressed it was only ever going to rile an atheist. I am sure you recognise that all of these concepts existed and were discussed ad-nauseam well before the birth of Christianity.

Ancient Greece pondered on the different forms of love 400 years before the first Christian and indeed Greek has 3 very separate concepts of love paraphrasing as love of country, brotherly love and sexual love.

Hope was also recognised by them as an integral part of the human condition - see the story of Pandora in ancient Greek myth.

Faith, as for love, needs further definition. If you mean faith in god then obviously that doesn't exist for an atheist. If you mean faith in the actions of your fellow man then it probably means much the same as would faith in the proper functioning of a given device, or in the law or a myriad other aspects of life.

Obviously the idea that it is only Christianity that stops us from eating our children is offensively stupid.

Faith, love and hope are probably all fairly important parts of our evolution as an intelligent social creature. Love appears not to be unique to us. One could argue neither are the other 2 although the combination in another creature on this planet may not exist.

Does a dog hope? It has faith and love covered for sure.
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#33
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 2:05 am)max-greece Wrote: Does a dog hope? It has faith and love covered for sure.

They way my dogs eye the table scraps on my plate(which they only sometimes get), I'd guess 'yes' to hope. Smile
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#34
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 12:10 am)Esquilax Wrote: You aren't the first christian troll here, and you won't be the last. Did you think you were special?

Yeah, real special. Were I not; there wouldn't be this frenzy to "try" and prove every utterance of mine to be w/o substance or a lie. But in the process it makes you, and your clan look like hypocrits, liars and fools!

Do you ever read each others replies to me? Or, do you just throw any shit against the wall until it grows an insidious life of its own? The [mob lie] rules here whether it be fact or not!

God, or not ...... Is there any "good" to be found here at all?

Or, is the byproduct of being godless also to be opposite or contrary of what He "truly" represents?

From now on you won't have me explaining "anything" I do or say around here. You have your image of me, made-up in your minds. Use that as your guide to my motives. Sobeit!
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#35
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)ronedee Wrote:
(August 22, 2013 at 12:10 am)Esquilax Wrote: You aren't the first christian troll here, and you won't be the last. Did you think you were special?

Yeah, real special. Were I not; there wouldn't be this frenzy to "try" and prove every utterance of mine to be w/o substance or a lie. But in the process it makes you, and your clan look like hypocrits, liars and fools!

Catholics aren't looking too good nowadays with the molestation bullshit. And Protestants have thought that of your particular cult since their sect of Christianity formed. Don't think for one second that you glimmer with the blood of Jesus slathered all over your face. All you've shown us is you cannot take criticism and get defensive instead of answering questions. The readers browsing this forum will determine how we look relative to you for themselves - and regardless of their opinion, it changes nothing.
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#36
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)ronedee Wrote: Yeah, real special. Were I not; there wouldn't be this frenzy to "try" and prove every utterance of mine to be w/o substance or a lie. But in the process it makes you, and your clan look like hypocrits, liars and fools!

Do you ever read each others replies to me? Or, do you just throw any shit against the wall until it grows an insidious life of its own? The [mob lie] rules here whether it be fact or not!

God, or not ...... Is there any "good" to be found here at all?

Or, is the byproduct of being godless also to be opposite or contrary of what He "truly" represents?

From now on you won't have me explaining "anything" I do or say around here. You have your image of me, made-up in your minds. Use that as your guide to my motives. Sobeit!

Translation:
People are having a go at me wa wa wa wa, its not fair, other peoples opinions clash with my own wa wa wa wa sniffle sniffle
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#37
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)ronedee Wrote: Yeah, real special. Were I not; there wouldn't be this frenzy to "try" and prove every utterance of mine to be w/o substance or a lie.

If your every statement wasn't so obviously false, we wouldn't need to prove you wrong at all. Why not try being right once in a while?

But make no mistake, this isn't hatred for you specifically, it's a dislike of ignorance, of assertions made without evidence or the expectation of verification, and of the utter arrogant pride of the people making them demanding they be taken as true anyway. All things religion does so well, and all things that drive the majority of we apostates away from religion.

Just ensure the statements you make are in line with the verified physical reality around us, and you'll be surprised how many of us agree with you.

Quote: But in the process it makes you, and your clan look like hypocrits, liars and fools!

In another thread, you claimed that water was miraculous, and when you were shown otherwise you ignored the evidence and continued to make your claim on the grounds that it's all "just a theory." It was, in one thread, a slam dunk textbook example of a man being a hypocrite, a liar and a fool.

Quote:Do you ever read each others replies to me? Or, do you just throw any shit against the wall until it grows an insidious life of its own? The [mob lie] rules here whether it be fact or not!

Yes, that's right, it's not you, it's everyone else... Rolleyes

Quote:God, or not ...... Is there any "good" to be found here at all?

Yes, though it's not surprising you can't see it. I doubt you even know what intellectual honesty looks like.

Quote:Or, is the byproduct of being godless also to be opposite or contrary of what He "truly" represents?

Once again, you take ownership over positive human traits, quite undeservedly. Your arrogance is astounding, but let me ask you this, O abrogator of morality; what evidence do you have that it's your religion with a deathgrip on all that's good in the world, and not, say, the muslims? After all, they make the same claim.

I'd also like to point out that since you can't even demonstrate that your god exists, to the rational mind he actually represents nothing, and therefore it is impossible to oppose him.

Quote:From now on you won't have me explaining "anything" I do or say around here.

You don't do that anyway. You just whine and preach, occasionally switching up the order. I see you've opted for whine, today. A Ronedee classic.

Quote:You have your image of me, made-up in your minds. Use that as your guide to my motives. Sobeit!

I'd like you to ask yourself what it was that made us form such a negative mental image of you specifically, but not other theists here, nor most others who come here. You're just another avatar and username, Ronny. The only unique factor here is your own actions: maybe that's a hint.
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#38
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 20, 2013 at 11:38 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(August 20, 2013 at 11:36 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Faith, hope, and love seems like a trinity concocted by emotionally illogical individuals lost forever in the nether regions of the imagination, separated from the stability of reality.

Thank you for your lengthy, thoughtful reply! What would I do w/o you!


Talk to your imaginary friend........I guess

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#39
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)ronedee Wrote:
(August 22, 2013 at 12:10 am)Esquilax Wrote: You aren't the first christian troll here, and you won't be the last. Did you think you were special?

Yeah, real special. Were I not; there wouldn't be this frenzy to "try" and prove every utterance of mine to be w/o substance or a lie. But in the process it makes you, and your clan look like hypocrits, liars and fools!

Do you ever read each others replies to me? Or, do you just throw any shit against the wall until it grows an insidious life of its own? The [mob lie] rules here whether it be fact or not!

God, or not ...... Is there any "good" to be found here at all?

Or, is the byproduct of being godless also to be opposite or contrary of what He "truly" represents?

From now on you won't have me explaining "anything" I do or say around here. You have your image of me, made-up in your minds. Use that as your guide to my motives. Sobeit!

This must be a joke.

You came here willingly. To a place not at all liken to what you believe filled with people who disagree with you then bitch when it doesn't go your way.

Seriously you deserve no respect or sensibility. you sir are the asshat I warn others about.

You are to self-centered to see that it is you with the issue here not those that refute your idiocy.
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#40
RE: Faith, Hope & Love?
(August 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)ronedee Wrote: You have your image of me

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"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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