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Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
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RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 17, 2013 at 7:12 pm)Koolay Wrote:
(September 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Get 'em down the mines, eh koolaid? Why you be learning when you can be mining!

Plus their little hands get the hard to reach ore/coal. And you can always just have more if they die!

Someone advocates for children not to be on the receiving end of violence, and you tar that person by calling him a child killer. Classy.

I'd want my children to stay 100 miles away from you, Kool-aid. You're about as insane as they come.

How many times have you lied on this forum about your profession/background?
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#42
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 16, 2013 at 3:03 pm)MythRat Wrote: Ah, noted. Thanks ^_^ I'll know that for next time.

Well, according to staff definition of resurecting threads, you didn't do so. We consider thread necromancing when a member posts in a thread that the last reply has been over 30 days, but we do have an auto warning notice near the reply boxes that alert users about it. In those cases and if the user likes the thread subject, it is preferable to make a new thread on the subject, for the simple reason that given the dynamic nature of this forum, some of the users that posted in a dead thread might not frequent the forum anymore. It was not the case on your reply here.

As to your answer to Koolay in this one, I liked it, Koolay himself might not even care for it, but it was worth it because there might be people out there that may learn something from it Smile
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#43
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(August 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Koolay Wrote: It is completely disgusting how children are treated in society, for the most part they are herded around like livestock by government and religion. They are seldom consulted for preferences and their desires are rarely, if ever met.

Government schools are inherently abusive to children, because they forcibly take hostage of children and indoctrinate them to obey hierarchies. Government schools teach you to obey orders, not to question, not to work for yourself, but always to follow what the 'teachers' say, what the authority says- but never what the authority does.

Children are a special class of persons of course because they are not considered to be completely formed. The law recognizes their need to be provided a period of care and education so that they will be able to have a wider range of choices as an adult.

You object to government intrusion for two reasons. One, you don't wish to have anyone interfering with your own indoctrination of your kids. Assuming you wish your children to follow you in being a ruthless psychopath you must resent the hell out of schools teaching of democracy and promoting upward mobility.

That is the source of the second reason for your discontent. You don't want the children of the lower and middle classes clogging up the schools and dragging down the quality of education you would like to provide the ruling class. Much better for your aims to have the children of the poor working as janitors in the school. That way they can provide some value to their betters.

I've said it before and you will probably take this the wrong way again. But you really are one sick bastard. Rather than intellectualize your pathology why not seek out help?
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#44
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 18, 2013 at 6:55 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(September 16, 2013 at 3:03 pm)MythRat Wrote: Ah, noted. Thanks ^_^ I'll know that for next time.

Well, according to staff definition of resurecting threads, you didn't do so. We consider thread necromancing when a member posts in a thread that the last reply has been over 30 days, but we do have an auto warning notice near the reply boxes that alert users about it. In those cases and if the user likes the thread subject, it is preferable to make a new thread on the subject, for the simple reason that given the dynamic nature of this forum, some of the users that posted in a dead thread might not frequent the forum anymore. It was not the case on your reply here.

As to your answer to Koolay in this one, I liked it, Koolay himself might not even care for it, but it was worth it because there might be people out there that may learn something from it Smile

Yes, I liked the answer very much, as well. A case of throwing pearls before swine, IMO.
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#45
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 18, 2013 at 7:44 am)whateverist Wrote: Children are a special class of persons of course because they are not considered to be completely formed. The law recognizes their need to be provided a period of care and education so that they will be able to have a wider range of choices as an adult.

But you can't call it 'care' and 'education' if it's forced. Children are forced to be with the government, so calling it 'education' is the wrong word. It is forced, so it is propaganda, by definition.

You wouldn't say a slave master was 'educating' his slaves. The slaves do not choose to be there, ergo you can not call it education.

(September 18, 2013 at 7:44 am)whateverist Wrote: You object to government intrusion for two reasons. One, you don't wish to have anyone interfering with your own indoctrination of your kids.

No, I object to government because it violates the non aggression principle. It uses violence to solve social problems.

(September 18, 2013 at 7:44 am)whateverist Wrote: Assuming you wish your children to follow you in being a ruthless psychopath you must resent the hell out of schools teaching of democracy and promoting upward mobility.

Are you saying I am a psychopath?

If public schools are good at helping poor people, why has the gap between rich and poor increased substantially since public schools started? And still very much on the increase.

(September 18, 2013 at 7:44 am)whateverist Wrote: That is the source of the second reason for your discontent. You don't want the children of the lower and middle classes clogging up the schools and dragging down the quality of education you would like to provide the ruling class. Much better for your aims to have the children of the poor working as janitors in the school. That way they can provide some value to their betters.

This is pure verbal manipulation.

1. How can I support the ruling class, and be against government at the same time? What higher class could you have than a small group of people that can initiate violence upon anyone at any time?

2. You are saying that being poor is wrong. What is wrong with being poor? there's nothing wrong with being a janitor.

I can't deal with any more of this.
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#46
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Koolay Wrote: I can't deal with any more of this.

I really fucking hope so.
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#47
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(September 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Koolay Wrote: I can't deal with any more of this.

I really fucking hope so.

Somehow, I think we will not be so fortunate.
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#48
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
I just think of my 7yr old neice and my 6yr old nephew. I can't even pay the neice to help me with my photography party business because she can't go with me to throw kids parties and understand that she's there to work not to eat cake. I see her getting upset that she didnt get to wear a party hat and start crying rather than organizing a game of musical chairs. What's more she isn't even coordinated enough to paint the other kids nails so skilled trade is out the window. Then theres the six year old whom I have to constantly remind to flush the toilet.. Don't tell me they're fit to do anything besides breathe and explore, or maybe use all the window cleaner bottle to clean one glass table when they get into a cleaning mood.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

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I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#49
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
I think the real question is whether or not we should take certain individual's rights away.
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#50
RE: Why do Children not Have Human Rights?
(September 20, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(September 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I really fucking hope so.
Somehow, I think we will not be so fortunate.

Yeah, it seems to me that "I'm done with you guys" usually means "end of chapter 1" with internet nutcases.
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