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How stupid do you have to be?...
#71
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Seriously, what the hell do you guys expect from someone who has defended slavery as just, so long as it was conducted within the framework of biblical instructions?

P.S. Oh, yes he did.

Slavery AND rape.
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#72
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 9, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Same dick god, Drich.

who has provided a way to avoid said 'dickieness.' Meaning if you get dicked then it is your own fault.

In much the same way that one can avoid a playground beatdown by coughing up one's lunch money, yes.

You defend a tyrant, and the concept of might makes right - perhaps without realizing it.
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#73
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Yes, because of course the 'unchanging' God of the Bible decided to change his mind.

He got better.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#74
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 10, 2013 at 2:27 pm)Drich Wrote: WHEN a man raped a woman, how do you suggest that soceity should have handeled it 4000 years ago?

Remember no jail, no lawyers, no social infrastructure at all. And please it must be something viable or i will call you out as a dumbass. Show me something that would have work in the existing laws place.

How about a being of unparalleled power, who could have used that power to punish (or even prevent) such behavior directly, as he did in many other circumstances as described in the Bible? Why would he care about the societal norms of ancient cultures? What stopped him from saying something like "if a man approaches a woman with the intent of raping her, I will cause him to die instantly"? Why would he instead create a rule that respects such a backwards culture? He demanded that they put to death a man who worked on the Sabbath, but nooo... we wouldn't want to offend anyone by outlawing slavery!
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(September 11, 2013 at 2:52 pm)Tonus Wrote: How about a being of unparalleled power, who could have used that power to punish (or even prevent) such behavior directly, as he did in many other circumstances as described in the Bible? Why would he care about the societal norms of ancient cultures? What stopped him from saying something like "if a man approaches a woman with the intent of raping her, I will cause him to die instantly"? Why would he instead create a rule that respects such a backwards culture? He demanded that they put to death a man who worked on the Sabbath, but nooo... we wouldn't want to offend anyone by outlawing slavery!

Yeah, I mentioned this in another thread, but when Drich is talking about his god that had to work within the framework of the time, and couldn't just make a rule about it that must be followed bindingly... he's talking about the same god who turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she looked behind her when leaving Sodom. This isn't exactly an accommodating deity.
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#76
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 10, 2013 at 11:11 am)max-greece Wrote: "If you raped a woman you were bound for life."

That's all well and good but it appears that she, the victim is bound to you for life.

Surely you see that is extremely unjust and harsh on her - which is the point I think.

Oohh....you are giving Drippy way too much credit to see things, there. In his he yahweh-induced stupor he probably thinks the woman should be delighted to be yoked to her rapist forever.

Drippy is as fucked up as his god.
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#77
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
The question isn't-Can we understand why a primitive, human civilization might have thought this is acceptable?

It's-Why does the rationale of a supposed perfect being mirror that of a primitive human civilization?

Answer: no perfect being, the latter is all that existed. I guess this sounds crazy to you, eh Drich?
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#78
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 11, 2013 at 6:25 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: The question isn't-Can we understand why a primitive, human civilization might have thought this is acceptable?

It's-Why does the rationale of a supposed perfect being mirror that of a primitive human civilization?

Answer: no perfect being, the latter is all that existed. I guess this sounds crazy to you, eh Drich?

Exactly.

A supreme being that is supposed to be the origin of all morality should have know, that slavery is ALWAYS wrong, that stoning to death unruly children (even if they are teenage drunkards) is ALWAYS wrong, that sending a bear to tear apart a bunch of children for taunting a bald prophet is ALWAYS wrong.

Dritch - Please note that no advanced society today would consider any of these things moral ( even the Christians in those societies), despite that the Yahweh character in the Bible stories had no problems with them.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#79
RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oohh....you are giving Drippy way too much credit to see things, there. In his he yahweh-induced stupor he probably thinks the woman should be delighted to be yoked to her rapist forever.

Drippy is as fucked up as his god.

As a side note, I can only imagine that this legal policy brought the reported rape crime rate to zero.

Kind of like how some Muslim countries today bring down the reported rape crime rate down by prosecuting the survivor for "adultery crime". Arguably worse.
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RE: How stupid do you have to be?...
(September 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?




(September 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm)tokutter Wrote: And yet somehow....someway.....they made it into the christian bible put together by...christians.

You christian need a new version NIV redacted.......black out all the stuff you dont use anymore.

It will end up looking like a pile of declassifed NSA files......


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Its all there so we would be able to identify sin, and subsequently repent of it.

Above you said it has nothing to do with christianity

Below its ALL there to help you in your christianity

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