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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: You have no real proof of god. Yes, I can state that, knowing it is true. Just because you guys keep telling yourself this does not make it any more true.
Again, I have all the proof I need, and you can too if you just A/S/K as outlined in luke 11.
Quote:I suppose you are too lazy to have read the countless times we mentioned what type of proof was necessary for us to believe that your god exists. And you accuse us of not properly reading your posts?
No you haven't the only person to ever answer me wanted to marry caprica 6. None of you guys knows what 'proof' of God is even supposed to look like.
(September 17, 2013 at 2:38 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: What if it was totally indistinguishable from his non existence.
So are Atoms, and even galaxies if not examined using a very specific method.
Why should God be any different?
Oh and where does the bible outline this method for examining nothing?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 2:43 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Oh and where does the bible outline this method for examining nothing?
I know I've told you at least 1/2 a dozen times now.
Ask/Seek/Knock as out lined in luke 11:
5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs. 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
If you receive the Holy Spirit/If you receive a measure of God to indewell you. What better proof of God than God Himself?
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 2:43 pm
A god that proves himself individually is indistinguishable from psychosis.
Imagine that.
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (September 17, 2013 at 12:28 pm)Drich Wrote: -or-
I really do have Proof of God. Proof that does not have me seek the aproval or acceptance of anyone else.
That's why, to me, proof of the existence of the god of the bible comes in the form of it showing itself to everyone on the planet and imparting some of its knowledge...
If the guy only shows up to a handful of people, then you can't rule out any psychological effect... a vivid imagination... or plain lying.
And if God has done this, and everyone know there to be a God? I have observed only those who wish to go out of their way to not believe in God can do so.
Put what you believe aside for a moment and just look at the numbers of those who believe in a version of God verses those who don't. Again to me God has given us all a basic understanding of Him.
What is God to do with them?
Is He obligated to force Himself upon them?
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Put what you believe aside for a moment and just look at the numbers of those who believe in a version of God verses those who don't.
Argumentum ad populum?
Seriously?
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 2:58 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Put what you believe aside for a moment and just look at the numbers of those who believe in a version of God verses those who don't.
Argumentum ad populum?
Seriously?
I did not appeal to the popular belief of the masses as Ad populum states.
I said put your belief aside, and look at what the Majority of the world believes. The majority of the world 'right or wrong' believes in God one way or another. which means (for a thinking man anyway.) That pro-carrots caviate (God would make himself known to everyone) is indeed what has happened.
-for only a small minority go against what God put in their heart to say they believe there is no God.
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 3:07 pm
The jig's up, fellow athies, we can no longer hide the fact that we only don't believe in Drich's god because we refuse to. Ah well, we had a good run; back to believing in "God" I suppose.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(September 17, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The jig's up, fellow athies, we can no longer hide the fact that we only don't believe in Drich's god because we refuse to. Ah well, we had a good run; back to believing in "God" I suppose.
Your 1/2 way there stimmy, now all you have to do is accept what Christ has done for you and we can be eternal neighbors.
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm
If I was your neighbour, Drich, I'd burn down my house just in case your poison had spread through and infected my floorboards.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Part 3
September 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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(September 17, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Again, I have all the proof I need.
False. You have the delusion you require to believe in something for which there is no evidence to support its existence.
(September 17, 2013 at 12:28 pm)Drich Wrote: I really do have Proof of God.
False. That word proof does not mean what you think it means. Millions of people can claim that leprechauns are real and that they have personal proof of the existence of leprechauns, but if millions of others have no verifiable proof of those leprechauns' existences, then those leprechauns truly do not exist anywhere except in the minds of people who are too delusional to know fantasy from reality.
(September 17, 2013 at 2:43 pm)Drich Wrote: What better proof of God than God Himself?
Delusionally convincing one's self that something exists when there is no verifiable evidence to support its existence is something only performed by those who cannot differentiate fantasy from reality. Those who convince themselves that leprechauns are real have used the same method of supposed proof that you use, and you are no less crazy in the head just because your belief happens to revolve around god rather than leprechauns.
(September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Drich Wrote: just look at the numbers of those who believe in a version of God verses those who don't.
As already mentioned, the argumentum ad populem fallacy is illogical. That millions of people who belong to the most intelligent race on the planet would be duped into believing a lie is the true wonder, no god involved either. Of course, indoctrination at a young age helps further the lie, does it not? Get them while their young and impressionable, feed them the lie every day of their growing lives. Sad.
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