To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?

[Psykhronic]

You do not have any good points, Mehmet. Don't expect us to see what does not exist.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You do not have any good points, Mehmet. Don't expect us to see what does not exist.

Well, it really does not matter whether you think my points are good or bad, at least according to you, and it really baffles me how you decided that my points are bad in the name of all the rest who browse the forum.
I don't show the same self-entitlement mentality as you do.

[Psykhronic]

Odd, I was basing that off of the responses to you thus far. Sure though, try to take the moral high-ground over self-entitlement.

[Tonus]

I think it's two separate things. Yes, it's good to observe precautions in order to protect ourselves from harm. We do it all the time, but we probably also tend to take risks as well. Being more cautious and vigilant can help us avoid harm.

But I think it's completely separate from assigning blame for a crime. "You could have avoided this" should never be part of the discussion when a crime has been committed. It doesn't take much to reduce the idea to absurdity. "If you hadn't gone out on a date that night, the drunk driver who killed your fiancee would not have slammed into the side of your car."

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think it's two separate things. Yes, it's good to observe precautions in order to protect ourselves from harm. We do it all the time, but we probably also tend to take risks as well. Being more cautious and vigilant can help us avoid harm.

But I think it's completely separate from assigning blame for a crime. "You could have avoided this" should never be part of the discussion when a crime has been committed. It doesn't take much to reduce the idea to absurdity. "If you hadn't gone out on a date that night, the drunk driver who killed your fiancee would not have slammed into the side of your car."

Well, its not me who assigns the blame for a crime, its the law. And the law states that the blame of a crime lays on the perpetrator.
I simply state that there are crimes that can be prevented by taking some simple measures of safety that can be useful in warding off criminals.

[Anomalocaris]

....Rapists live in dens?

and in nests too.

[Heir Apparent]

IMO rape victims are the worst type of victim, meaning that what they go through is just awful.

I try to put myself in their shoes and I can't even begin to fathom what it must be like to have your body unwillingly violated, and then the feelings that come with it when you have to decide whether you tell someone or not.

I shudder at the idea. If TF really thinks that genuine victims are at all to blame for a rape then he is an even bigger piece of shit than I could have suspected (haven't watched the vid, don't really want to).

[Gilgamesh]

Yes she was fucking raped. He beat the shit out of her and broke her leg. He went to prison for it. But hey, maybe she liked it rough, and was embarrassed about that, eh? Did you see what happened? If not, calling the victim of a violent crime a liar is pretty fucking crude.
Cunt...

Emotional investment in beliefs or ideas is never a good thing. Calm down. Sheesh.

He beat the shit out of her and broke her leg. He went to prison for it.

That's an important part of the story. A part you left out at first. A part, if included, wouldn't have lead me to question the validity of the rape.

Calling the victim of a violent crime a liar is pretty fucking crude.

I agree. Although, if you're inferring that I did such a thing, you're mistaken.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I agree with Nora's point way earlier in this post. And I find that the fact the thread has turned into mehmet's instructions for how girls can protect themselves is actually proving the case.

How many of you have ever sat a man down, tell him a few rape stories and how the victims survived it and tell them never to try things like these? Do you tell them don't drink so much that you may accidentally rape someone and not remember? Do you tell them to always ask and if they're not sure never never do it?

Because as a woman many people in my life have taken the liberty to sit me down and tell me how to be careful to prevent rape. I know they do it because they worry but why haven't they done it to men? I see posts on my fb about brutal rape cases and the ending is always: tell all the women you know to not (insert whatever the victim did), because they may increase chances of being raped. It never says: tell all the men you know not to do this.

My parents actually did actually have discussions with me about cheating in school and stealing stuff. They also tell me never to physically attack anybody except in self defence. They told me when I was a child that crime is never worth it and I'll lose everything just for one moment's stupidity. But after reading a few rape testimonials, it's as if the boy only realized after everything that he raped the girl. Many of them didn't realize it was rape. ?!

[Gilgamesh]

Let's sit everyone down and tell them not to commit potential atrocities.