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Atheist or really Agnostic
#11
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To believe that God exists does not require an absolute negation at all. It just needs positive evidence that God exists. So there is no comparison.

Let us know when you get that positive evidence. See, you're phrasing this as a glass half full scenario, but for an atheist, that glass is half empty: what you're describing is the burden of proof, and many of us would submit that it hasn't been fulfilled.

Quote:I believe the Holy Bible is true.
It claims to be from God Almighty.
It proves itself in many ways.

Why and how?

Quote:The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"

Please tell me you understand the host of fallacies in this statement.

Quote:The Holy Bible is a record of historical events. These events show that God exist.

So how would you respond to our knowledge of history that conflicts with the accounts in the bible? Because there's kind of a lot of that.

Quote:The atheist has no record of the no God''s actions.

That... I can't... what?

Quote:The saved have the witness of the Holy Spirit in them.
The atheists has the witness of the nobody.

Major begging the question: if the atheist is correct, then you don't have any kind of witness either.

Quote:The existence of the universe is a very strong proof of the existence of its Creator.

Total non sequitur: the universe is proof of the universe. But I'm looking for a new argument to have, so let's play: what evidence are you thinking of when you say this?

Quote:The atheist must try to explain it away.
All attempts have failed.

Oh, do give me a chance before you say that. Devil
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#12
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"

I'm calling troll/poe.
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#13
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
I can claim that there definitely aren't any gods because there definitely aren't any gods. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest the remotest possibility of there being any gods. Belief in gods is illogical, childish, and quite frankly, retarded.
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#14
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 7:44 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"

I'm calling troll/poe.

I smell pigeon pooh.
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#15
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
That was the most disappointing follow up post ever. Undecided

Went from agreeing with quite a bit of what he said to nothing.
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#16
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I smell pigeon pooh.

Hmmmm, Sparty hasn't been around. I wonder if he has something to do with this Dodgy
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#17
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist. There isn't even a good definition of god that would make god's existence plausible.

But if you go by what you said then all theists should be agnostic as well.

You said "most of the gods" "do not exist."
I will say that that is true. Most of the gods that people worshipped were not God at all.

But that does not show that the God of the Holy Bible is not the true God. In fact the Holy Bible claims that Satan exists and made up all those false gods.
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#18
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist. There isn't even a good definition of god that would make god's existence plausible.

But if you go by what you said then all theists should be agnostic as well.

You said "most of the gods" "do not exist."
I will say that that is true. Most of the gods that people worshipped were not God at all.

But that does not show that the God of the Holy Bible is not the true God. In fact the Holy Bible claims that Satan exists and made up all those false gods.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd there it is folks! The encore performance! Because when the punchline just isn't enough...
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#19
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist. There isn't even a good definition of god that would make god's existence plausible.

But if you go by what you said then all theists should be agnostic as well.

You said "most of the gods" "do not exist."
I will say that that is true. Most of the gods that people worshipped were not God at all.

But that does not show that the God of the Holy Bible is not the true God. In fact the Holy Bible claims that Satan exists and made up all those false gods.

I included your god in what I said.
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#20
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
Oh joy, another topic that has been done to death.
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