Atheist or really Agnostic

[Thackerie]

I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist. There isn't even a good definition of god that would make god's existence plausible.

But if you go by what you said then all theists should be agnostic as well.

You said "most of the gods" "do not exist."
I will say that that is true. Most of the gods that people worshipped were not God at all.

But that does not show that the God of the Holy Bible is not the true God. In fact the Holy Bible claims that Satan exists and made up all those false gods.

Book, chapter, and verse, please. I know the bible claims Satan exists. I don't think there's anything in there about Satan making up false gods. I think YOU made that up because you're a Poe. Prove me wrong.

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

You said "most of the gods" "do not exist."
I will say that that is true. Most of the gods that people worshipped were not God at all.

But that does not show that the God of the Holy Bible is not the true God. In fact the Holy Bible claims that Satan exists and made up all those false gods.

Book, chapter, and verse, please. I know the bible claims Satan exists. I don't think there's anything in there about Satan making up false gods. I think YOU made that up because you're a Poe. Prove me wrong.

In Revelation 12, Satan is called the great dragon and that old serpent. Many people have worshipped a dragon or serpent figure.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

In the Revelation 13, the dragon is being worshipped.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

That same dragon was worshipped by the Roman Empire as their chief god.

Revelation 12:1-5
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Satan tried to even get Jesus Christ to worship him.

Matthew 4:8-10
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Satan, the Devil, and the other fallen angels, called devils, were worshipped by those that worshipped idols.

1 Corinthians 10:19-21
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

It is also recorded in the Old Testament of worship of devils.

Leviticus 17:7
And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.

Deuteronomy 32:16-17
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Psalm 106:36-38
36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

Every false god or idol that was worshipped was Satan or the other fallen angels.

[Esquilax]

Every false god or idol that was worshipped was Satan or the other fallen angels.

And how do you know your god isn't just the next in a long line of devilry? I mean, they were all doing the exact same thing, passing themselves off as the one true god, with all others- except in pantheon situations- being false...

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Every false god or idol that was worshipped was Satan or the other fallen angels.

And how do you know your god isn't just the next in a long line of devilry? I mean, they were all doing the exact same thing, passing themselves off as the one true god, with all others- except in pantheon situations- being false...

Good question.

In essence this is the answer.
The Bible proves itself that indeed it is from God Almighty Creator.

That is another topic though.

[popeyespappy]

[Lemonvariable72]

Well what I wonna know is what's the difference? I call myself a agnostic but I consider yahweh no more likely then the easter bunny.

[max-greece]

Book, chapter, and verse, please. I know the bible claims Satan exists. I don't think there's anything in there about Satan making up false gods. I think YOU made that up because you're a Poe. Prove me wrong.

In Revelation 12, Satan is called the great dragon and that old serpent. Many people have worshipped a dragon or serpent figure.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

In the Revelation 13, the dragon is being worshipped.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

That same dragon was worshipped by the Roman Empire as their chief god.

Revelation 12:1-5
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Satan tried to even get Jesus Christ to worship him.

Matthew 4:8-10
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Satan, the Devil, and the other fallen angels, called devils, were worshipped by those that worshipped idols.

1 Corinthians 10:19-21
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

It is also recorded in the Old Testament of worship of devils.

Leviticus 17:7
And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.

Deuteronomy 32:16-17
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Psalm 106:36-38
36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

Every false god or idol that was worshipped was Satan or the other fallen angels.

Yes - but he would say that wouldn't he.

In the meantime the kill score in the bible reads:

Devil/Satan - 10
God - 2,400,000 - 3,000,000 depending on whose figures you use.

If there is a God, which is highly unlikely, it certainly isn't the Christian God.

[Cyberman]

I'm not going to pick through the whole carcass (you lot haven't left much meat anyway) but there are a few choice morsels I want to nibble at.

Firstly, I'll pull a little straw out of your man:

To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God.

This has already been addressed, and very competently I might add. I just want to try a different angle.

What would be your response to the claim that "to truly be a theist is to claim that there is no no-God"? (Read it carefully.)

That's what our response to your claim feels like.

That same dragon was worshipped by the Roman Empire as their chief god.

Zeus was a dragon?

Did the Romans even have the concept of dragons in their mythology?

In essence this is the answer.
The Bible proves itself that indeed it is from God Almighty Creator.

In essence, this bar of chocolate -



- proves itself to be from another planet. Agreed? If not, why not?

[max-greece]

Mars, Milky Way, Galaxy....I see a pattern - God is trying to communicate to us through chocolate. He's trying to tell us of the enormity of space.

Just wait till the universe and multiverse bars come out.....it'll be the end of everything I tell you (particularly my 34 inch waist jeans).

[Foxaèr]

It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation.

I am certain it has already been stated, but just in case you have decided to further argue your illogical point I will reiterate:

If there is already no evidence to support the existence of something, it is reasonable to assume that it does not exist. Therefore, it would be further unreasonable to attempt to prove that it does not exist since there is already no proof of its existence.

Stating that atheists must prove that god does not exist is shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, which would be that god does exist, and therefore the burden of proof belongs to the theists who claim that god does exists when there is no evidence to support his existence.

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I believe the Holy Bible is true.
It claims to be from God Almighty.
It proves itself in many ways.

That would be circular logic and in no way proof of god's existence. Stating that the bible is proof of god's existence is akin to stating that a marvel comic book is proof of Spider-Man's existence.

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The Holy Bible is a record of historical events.

False, there is nothing remotely historically accurate in the bible.