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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 3:09 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it.
What would be impossible for the Almighty God?
Maybe you would never be able to discern what God did.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 3:18 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it.
I see that I'm going to have to get down to your level. Let me just drink some bleach...
Here is a picture book for you. Perhaps the cute little animals will hold your attention long enough for information to sink in?
In particular, pay attention to the "appeal to ignorance" page:
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 3:22 pm
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2013 at 3:23 pm by Doubting Thomas.)
I'm betting that even SBG thinks this is a ridiculous and fallacious argument, but somehow it doesn't apply to God.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm
"But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it. "
The most important word in the above sentence is "if"
This is something we do not currently know.
It is fully possible that given the right circumstances life isn't unlikely at all - in fact it could be inevitable.
We'll know more when we find another planet comparable to our own out there somewhere. If there's life there too.....
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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(October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)max-greece Wrote: "But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it. "
The most important word in the above sentence is "if"
This is something we do not currently know.
It is fully possible that given the right circumstances life isn't unlikely at all - in fact it could be inevitable.
We'll know more when we find another planet comparable to our own out there somewhere. If there's life there too.....
No sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 3:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it.
What would be impossible for the Almighty God?
Maybe you would never be able to discern what God did.
Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit! Goddidit!
Yea because "Unprovennakedassertiondidit! Unprovennakedassertiondidit! Unprovennakedassertiondidit! Unprovennakedassertiondidit! Unprovennakedassertiondidit" doesn't have the same punch.
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Re: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)max-greece Wrote: "But if the odds against abiogenesis are so great that it is absolutely ludicrous to hold to the no God assumption, the God Almighty must have done it. "
The most important word in the above sentence is "if"
This is something we do not currently know.
It is fully possible that given the right circumstances life isn't unlikely at all - in fact it could be inevitable.
We'll know more when we find another planet comparable to our own out there somewhere. If there's life there too.....
No sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far.
Early days - be patient.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: No sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far.
And we've sent probes out farther than Pluto! If, out of the hundreds of billions of star systems in each of the hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe, we can't find exolife by the time we get to the edge of our own little solar system with probes that couldn't detect life unless they bounced off of it, we get to say 'no sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far' as if we've nearly exhausted all of the possibilities already instead of only barely starting to make the first eyeblink of an exploration into the possibility of life on other planets. There's literally no way to know the odds of life on a given earth-like planet with only one to extrapolate from. We know it's possible. That's all we know for sure about it. Is it so unlikely that it probably only happened once in the whole universe? Conceivably, but for all we know, it could also happen on every world with liquid water.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: No sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far.
And we've sent probes out farther than Pluto! If, out of the hundreds of billions of star systems in each of the hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe, we can't find exolife by the time we get to the edge of our own little solar system with probes that couldn't detect life unless they bounced off of it, we get to say 'no sign of any life, outside of Earth, anywhere in the universe so far' as if we've nearly exhausted all of the possibilities already instead of only barely starting to make the first eyeblink of an exploration into the possibility of life on other planets. There's literally no way to know the odds of life on a given earth-like planet with only one to extrapolate from. We know it's possible. That's all we know for sure about it. Is it so unlikely that it probably only happened once in the whole universe? Conceivably, but for all we know, it could also happen on every world with liquid water.
But why would we not be getting radio waves?
Most civilizations would be emitting them for at least 100 years.
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