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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm
(September 20, 2014 at 6:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 10:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: then he agrees that God is uncaused since cause and effect transactions only apply to the cosmic timeline.
And we circle all the way back around to dumb, baseless special pleading. 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 20, 2014 at 11:33 pm
(September 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 20, 2014 at 6:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: And we circle all the way back around to dumb, baseless special pleading.
"Everything needs causes that are greater than them, but not this one thing that I really really want to not follow those rules, because I say so!"
Do you have anything real to talk about? that doesn't mean you can't make an intellectual contribution.
That's what pointing out the logical fallacy in your argument is, Snowy. It's not somehow my fault that your rhetoric remains on such a basic level that all our responses are limited to pointing out how and why it doesn't work. If you want to have a conversation with some content, try producing an argument that isn't a non-starter from the outset.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 21, 2014 at 9:49 am
(September 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 20, 2014 at 6:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: And we circle all the way back around to dumb, baseless special pleading.
"Everything needs causes that are greater than them, but not this one thing that I really really want to not follow those rules, because I say so!"
Do you have anything real to talk about? that doesn't mean you can't make an intellectual contribution.
You can't make an intellectual contribution if your entire premise is flawed. Everything after would be tainted by a foundation of misinformation.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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(September 19, 2014 at 10:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 9:34 am)Chuck Wrote: Nothing can be greater than its cause. Since god has zero cause, god is at most zero, nothing. Therefore god, being less than anything and everything that is anything, can be the cause of nothing.
Next. then he agrees that God is uncaused since cause and effect transactions only apply to the cosmic timeline.
Of course I agree god is uncaused, that's why is nonexistent.
Since nothing can be greater than its cause, as you so elegantly mumbled while chewing your own foot, a god whose set of causes is empty must itself be no more than nothing, possibly less.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 10:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: then he agrees that God is uncaused since cause and effect transactions only apply to the cosmic timeline.
Wait. We're circling back to the cosmological argument, again? That was already refuted 20-40 pages ago. No circling back to refuted arguments just because you think we've forgotten.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 22, 2014 at 12:45 pm
I've gotta add, the conceptual underpinnings of the cosmological argument are not compatible with the flood narrative....btw. Really going to have to pick one or the other. Which is more important to you Snow?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 22, 2014 at 1:59 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 10:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: then he agrees that God is uncaused since cause and effect transactions only apply to the cosmic timeline. All this time I thought you worshiped Yahweh, Lord of Armies. It turns out you worship Cept'for, Lord of Convenience.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 26, 2014 at 7:05 pm
(September 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 10:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: then he agrees that God is uncaused since cause and effect transactions only apply to the cosmic timeline.
Wait. We're circling back to the cosmological argument, again? That was already refuted 20-40 pages ago. No circling back to refuted arguments just because you think we've forgotten. you haven't refuted crap; on your best day, not even close. dream on puddles.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 26, 2014 at 7:17 pm
(September 26, 2014 at 7:05 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: Wait. We're circling back to the cosmological argument, again? That was already refuted 20-40 pages ago. No circling back to refuted arguments just because you think we've forgotten. you haven't refuted crap; on your best day, not even close. dream on puddles.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 26, 2014 at 8:22 pm
(September 26, 2014 at 7:05 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: Wait. We're circling back to the cosmological argument, again? That was already refuted 20-40 pages ago. No circling back to refuted arguments just because you think we've forgotten. you haven't refuted crap; on your best day, not even close. dream on puddles.
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