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(January 20, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Chas Wrote: No, Snowy got that one right.
Only if you don't consider panspermia.
I don't seriously consider it since it adds little or nothing to the discussion of the origin of life.
Quote:But using the 4.5 billion year number leads me to believe that snowtracks is (again) being particularly obtuse or knowingly disinguous (lying). The oldest rocks on earth are pretty close to 4.5B old, but nobody thinks that DNA could have formed or survived on earth that long ago. As pointed out above, planetary scale impacts were occurring making the proto-earth God-Awful hot. But the evidence I've seen has DNA being formed circa 3.8B ago. That gives earth a 700,000,000 year cooling off period. That's a really long time for snowtracks to ignore. It takes that special skill of the faithful to remain knowledgeably ignorant.
I don't know what point Snowy was trying to make. Even the blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
(January 20, 2015 at 12:13 am)snowtracks Wrote: DNA didn't exist 4.5 billion years ago. We don’t know how or by what means the intelligent agent responsible for the information in living systems transmitted that information to an material entity such as a strand of DNA even though there were clues left behind that a mindful agency played a causal role in the origin of living forms.
When the figures of Easter Island were discovered, by what means were they carved (chisel, laser?) or erected was not completely understood, but nevertheless, it can be inferred an ‘intelligence’ made them.
The biblical God best fits the intelligent designer. One reason among many is - He is transcendent to the cosmic timeline which functions as a series of cause and effects; being outside of that, God doesn’t require a beginning or cause. Any other mindful agency would require a cause (Richard Dawkins is asking 'who or what designed the designer'?). The answer - none required.
4.6 billion years ago The origin of the Earth
3.8 billion years ago First life arises
2.1 billion years ago Eukaryotes evolved
1.1 billion years ago First sexually reproducing organisms
570 million years ago First arthropods evolve
530 million years ago The first fish
475 million years ago First land plants
385 million years ago First forests
370 million years ago The first amphibians
320 million years ago The earliest reptiles
225 million years ago The dinosaurs evolve
200 million years ago The mammals evolve
150 million years ago First birds
130 million years ago Flowering plants evolve
100 million years ago The first bees evolve
65 million years ago Dinosaurs and ammonites become extinct
14 million years ago The first great apes appear
2.5 million years ago Genus Homo evolves
200 thousand years ago Our species, Homo sapiens evolves
10 thousand years ago End of the last Ice Age
The point of your above posted information is that biblical scripture has been scientifically proven to be accurate.
Day 1 light penetrated the earth's opaque atmosphere, photosynthesis begins due mostly to the moon formation collision thus diagramed.
Day 2 water cycle begins
Day 3 dry land. plate tectonics and volcanism - radioactive energy imparted from moon formation collision thus diagramed (that diagram was sorely needed to be posted). Plants
Day 4 plants increasing consumption of carbon dioxide and water vapor, and production of oxygen to bring about the next atmospheric transformation - this time from translucent to transparent making the sun, moon and star visible on the earth's surface to 'serve as signs to mark seasons as days and years' - for future more advanced creatures requiring at least on occasion to guide instincts: feed, reproduce, migrate, hibernate.
Day 5 sea animals of a higher order
Day 6 specialized land mammals.
Day 7 man - the highest earthly order. Consisting of body (physical), soul (interface like property between body and spirit), spirit. The spirit is the reason humans have awareness of self, concerns about death and about life after death, the desire to communicate with higher being (or the effortful repression), an innate awareness of right and wrong, or conscience, language capability including complex symbol cognition/expression, capacity for abstract thought including a drive to discover truth and absolutes.
Notice. Spelling, etc. mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
You know what makes it even funnier? You actually believe what you just wrote!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
So the fact that the Bible contains huge amounts of missing information and is riddled with gaps that have to be filled as humans learn more about the universe on our own is a feature, and not a bug. God is either a big fan of puzzles, or of credulous morons.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
(January 28, 2015 at 1:23 am)snowtracks Wrote: The point of your above posted information is that biblical scripture has been scientifically proven to be accurate.
Your stretching facts and making errors do not constitute scientific proof.
Quote:Day 1 light penetrated the earth's opaque atmosphere, photosynthesis begins due mostly to the moon formation collision thus diagramed.
Photosynthesis depends on the moon? Please explain how.
Quote:Day 2 water cycle begins
There were photosynthetic organisms before there was a water cycle?
Quote:Day 3 dry land. plate tectonics and volcanism - radioactive energy imparted from moon formation collision thus diagramed (that diagram was sorely needed to be posted). Plants
There were photosynthetic organisms before there were plants?
Quote:Day 4 plants increasing consumption of carbon dioxide and water vapor, and production of oxygen to bring about the next atmospheric transformation - this time from translucent to transparent making the sun, moon and star visible on the earth's surface to 'serve as signs to mark seasons as days and years' - for future more advanced creatures requiring at least on occasion to guide instincts: feed, reproduce, migrate, hibernate.
The atmosphere was transparent already.
Quote:Day 5 sea animals of a higher order
Define 'higher order'.
Quote:Day 6 specialized land mammals.
Define 'specialized'. On what day did the unspecialized ones appear?
Quote:Day 7 man - the highest earthly order. Consisting of body (physical), soul (interface like property between body and spirit), spirit.
Define 'soul'. Define 'spirit'. Explain where they came from.
Quote:The spirit is the reason humans have awareness of self, concerns about death and about life after death, the desire to communicate with higher being (or the effortful repression), an innate awareness of right and wrong, or conscience, language capability including complex symbol cognition/expression, capacity for abstract thought including a drive to discover truth and absolutes.
You know, other animals exhibit awareness of self, morality, and even problem solving. There is no clear demarcation in consciousness, there is a spectrum of capability.
Quote:Notice. Spelling, etc. mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.
It's OK, Snowflake, you're not being graded on spelling today.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
There were photosynthetic organisms before there was a water cycle?
But of course!!
The water cycle is completely dependent on the existence of biological organisms!
Without them, the sun cannot warm up water on Earth and it will not turn to steam and clouds and cool down and then fall back to the Earth.
Biological photosynthetic organisms convert the sun's light into warmth, didn't you know?
Haven't you ever noticed how you turn green when out in the sun?
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You know what makes it even funnier? You actually believe what you just wrote!
No, belief requires that you actually hold a thought in your head for long enough to accept it, and I sincerely believe that Snowy hasn't thought about a single thing he's posted, ever.
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January 28, 2015 at 7:18 pm (This post was last modified: January 28, 2015 at 7:19 pm by Cyberman.)
Good point. Then I shall amend my observation:
(January 28, 2015 at 1:33 am)I Wrote:
You know what makes it even funnier? You actually think we'll automatically believe what you just wrote!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 28, 2015 at 1:23 am)snowtracks Wrote: The point of your above posted information is that biblical scripture has been scientifically proven to be accurate.
Your stretching facts and making errors do not constitute scientific proof.
Quote:Day 1 light penetrated the earth's opaque atmosphere, photosynthesis begins due mostly to the moon formation collision thus diagramed.
Photosynthesis depends on the moon? Please explain how.
Quote:Day 2 water cycle begins
There were photosynthetic organisms before there was a water cycle?
Quote:Day 3 dry land. plate tectonics and volcanism - radioactive energy imparted from moon formation collision thus diagramed (that diagram was sorely needed to be posted). Plants
There were photosynthetic organisms before there were plants?
Quote:Day 4 plants increasing consumption of carbon dioxide and water vapor, and production of oxygen to bring about the next atmospheric transformation - this time from translucent to transparent making the sun, moon and star visible on the earth's surface to 'serve as signs to mark seasons as days and years' - for future more advanced creatures requiring at least on occasion to guide instincts: feed, reproduce, migrate, hibernate.
The atmosphere was transparent already.
Quote:Day 5 sea animals of a higher order
Define 'higher order'.
Quote:Day 6 specialized land mammals.
Define 'specialized'. On what day did the unspecialized ones appear?
Quote:Day 7 man - the highest earthly order. Consisting of body (physical), soul (interface like property between body and spirit), spirit.
Define 'soul'. Define 'spirit'. Explain where they came from.
Quote:The spirit is the reason humans have awareness of self, concerns about death and about life after death, the desire to communicate with higher being (or the effortful repression), an innate awareness of right and wrong, or conscience, language capability including complex symbol cognition/expression, capacity for abstract thought including a drive to discover truth and absolutes.
You know, other animals exhibit awareness of self, morality, and even problem solving. There is no clear demarcation in consciousness, there is a spectrum of capability.
Quote:Notice. Spelling, etc. mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.
It's OK, Snowflake, you're not being graded on spelling today.
Earth’s atmosphere departs from the general rule that the greater a planet’s distance is from it’s star, and the greater it’s surface density is, the thicker the atmosphere. Compared to Venus (Earth’s twin comparison), it is much lighter. http://io9.com/5645624/earth-and-venus-h...-lightning. This is the result of the moon collision event ref. above. Thus, light was able to penetrate to the surface of the water (thru the clouds, atmosphere went from opaque to translucent [not transparent yet]). This light was the source of life-engaging photosynthesis for both 1. Anoxic - (can’t operate in presents of oxygen). 2. Oxic- (in present of oxygen, and producing oxy in some cases) single celled marine microorganisms.
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Biblical ref - One of the 4 major earth’s creation feature is darkness. God says in ref to ‘the sea’ (water completely covering the earth’s surface, no land yet). “ I made the clouds it’s garment and wrapped it in thick darkness”.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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