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godless pro-lifers
#71
RE: godless pro-lifers
I'm pro life and an atheist. I am also a conservative although I do believe in social security. Still though, I'm not going to hold my fellow beings to my standards and I certainly wont force anything on them. I'd rather reason with them like a grown ass adult.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#72
RE: godless pro-lifers
the fact is , kristians r not pro life...they r pro death ..

their god kills everyone and everything thats not a member of his fashist terrorist and criminal organisation of vile and evil lying massmurederes, scam arists and thieves.

god is even pro abortion and is very good at post natal abortion , just open up the buybull and read it !!..

now if we compare the behaviour of kristians troughout the past milennia, they r in line with the teachings of their fuhrer in the sky.
imof, the past milennia have been even up to this day, a blood bath of never ending wars for him.

so the pro life thing is nothing more as the spreading of disinformation by the relifashist propaganda maschines to make themselves look better.
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#73
RE: godless pro-lifers
dun dun dunnnnn
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#74
RE: godless pro-lifers
(October 14, 2013 at 5:20 am)daandaan Wrote: the fact is , kristians r not pro life...they r pro death ..

their god kills everyone and everything thats not a member of his fashist terrorist and criminal organisation of vile and evil lying massmurederes, scam arists and thieves.

god is even pro abortion and is very good at post natal abortion , just open up the buybull and read it !!..

now if we compare the behaviour of kristians troughout the past milennia, they r in line with the teachings of their fuhrer in the sky.
imof, the past milennia have been even up to this day, a blood bath of never ending wars for him.

so the pro life thing is nothing more as the spreading of disinformation by the relifashist propaganda maschines to make themselves look better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzp4MJRKHc
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#75
RE: godless pro-lifers
I, with plenty of debates with my girlfriend we have come to a middel ground. I believe there should be limits to abortion as the line between proto-person and potiential person becomes blurred. I feel 16-21 weeks is a reasonable cut off date as the brain during that stage is affect heavily affected by stimuli and with our proper nuerological study we could be killing a person rather or not they have expriences or personality. With that said, I think before that period of time there is little doubt that it is merely a potiental person. I also hold to the notion that we pump alot of money into safer and more effective contraceptives and end yet another destructive and pritimive means.
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#76
RE: godless pro-lifers
(October 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: I, with plenty of debates with my girlfriend we have come to a middel ground. I believe there should be limits to abortion as the line between proto-person and potiential person becomes blurred. I feel 16-21 weeks is a reasonable cut off date as the brain during that stage is affect heavily affected by stimuli and with our proper nuerological study we could be killing a person rather or not they have expriences or personality. With that said, I think before that period of time there is little doubt that it is merely a potiental person. I also hold to the notion that we pump alot of money into safer and more effective contraceptives and end yet another destructive and pritimive means.

i completely agree with u , however religion doesnt tolerate contraceptives or even sexual education or even ...letting have their kids save seks........

the only thing religion does is undermining nature..therefore when it happens (seks, both drunk in the bushes behind the local bar) , the perfect scenary for disaster is a fact .

the other reason why religion doesnt want abortion (or contraceptives) is the fact that it plays right into their hands.

it effectively destroys the girls future (no education) making her and her KID dependable on church hand-outs ...and so beeing able to put their hands around their throats when not complying to the RULES they make in exchange for the hand-outs.

like putting the kid on sunday school , attending services etc etc etc ...ensuring the kid to be indoctrinated with the poison they tell..
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#77
RE: godless pro-lifers
(October 14, 2013 at 12:12 am)whateverist Wrote: Since all the consequences of that behavior accrue to just one sex I can't help but feel the need to shut the fuck up about what women should do when they find themselves with a pregnancy they do not wish to carry to term.

But not all the consequences fall on the woman if you believe the embryo to be a human being, which is what Tiberius' point is. I don't agree with him, but his reasoning is that he is defending a human life.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#78
RE: godless pro-lifers
I would not say it is an active conspiracy (RCC excluded) however, the economic troubles a child can have can be devastating towards that mother and father. I think education is the key to combat this however the religious folks oppose regardless of the factual or evidential knowledge. I guess the fact that this is an emotionally charged topic, real logical discussion is never attempted. I think abortion as it stands needs to be looked at in a humanistic and non-religious sense. While the morality behind this subject is subjective, I think it is irrelevant. The real logical question we should be asking is simple, “is abortion moving the psychological health of the human race forward” why that question is important to ask is simple. Most abortions are not a product of rape or health reasons but of inconvenience or recklessness on either party.

This is point to a group of larger issues that are a reflection of the total health of our society. These issues can vary but I can pin them down to educational and cultural issues. None of which will be solved if we just look at the symptoms, these solutions will require public debate and truthful answers. If you want my outlook on this happening, very low until we get decent politicians , logical and rational media, and religions having so say in politics beyond religious affairs. All of which we are not willing to give up at the moment.
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#79
RE: godless pro-lifers
(October 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:12 am)whateverist Wrote: Since all the consequences of that behavior accrue to just one sex I can't help but feel the need to shut the fuck up about what women should do when they find themselves with a pregnancy they do not wish to carry to term.

But not all the consequences fall on the woman if you believe the embryo to be a human being, which is what Tiberius' point is. I don't agree with him, but his reasoning is that he is defending a human life.
And it's fine to take this position- that's not misogynstic. What IS misogynistic is the position (and I don't know if anyone here is taking such a position) that a.) that's more important than women's autonomy, and b.) that women don't have the capacity to understand the various arguments and make decisions accordingly.
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#80
RE: godless pro-lifers
(October 14, 2013 at 4:17 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: I would not say it is an active conspiracy (RCC excluded) however, the economic troubles a child can have can be devastating towards that mother and father. I think education is the key to combat this however the religious folks oppose regardless of the factual or evidential knowledge. I guess the fact that this is an emotionally charged topic, real logical discussion is never attempted. I think abortion as it stands needs to be looked at in a humanistic and non-religious sense. While the morality behind this subject is subjective, I think it is irrelevant. The real logical question we should be asking is simple, “is abortion moving the psychological health of the human race forward” why that question is important to ask is simple. Most abortions are not a product of rape or health reasons but of inconvenience or recklessness on either party.

This is point to a group of larger issues that are a reflection of the total health of our society. These issues can vary but I can pin them down to educational and cultural issues. None of which will be solved if we just look at the symptoms, these solutions will require public debate and truthful answers. If you want my outlook on this happening, very low until we get decent politicians , logical and rational media, and religions having so say in politics beyond religious affairs. All of which we are not willing to give up at the moment.

indeed, absolutely ..

the fact is that when religion is ended, the problem of abortion is as well gone ...becouse it is Always a problem of the religious...

the ARE the problem
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