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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
Why do you think that the bolded part is true? it does not seem to tally with the world as I know it.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm
I think the Silmarillion best described all those things you listed.
And is more poetic.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
Not the universe I live in.
And I don't have to keep reminding myself god doesn't exist. Terrible arguments such as yours do that for me.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm
How can it be possible for one person, however theistically deluded, to get things totally and consistently bass ackwards like that?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: bass ackwards
Lol.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency.
Sorry, I haven't been following this thread too closely. Could you please re-iterate why it is that if a creator exists, it has to be the christian god?
Quote:it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future.
Presumably when you say "appeal to the future", what you mean is "inductive reasoning based on past events and the rapid expansion of human knowledge and discovery"
Quote:this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
That part is spot on, actually. I often forget that I've been an atheist for my entire life. Seriously, I've lost count of the amount times I've found myself in church singing along, enraptured by the sermon or praising jesus, only to suddenly remember that I'm not supposed to believe in god. At that point, I usually just masturbate into the font and caper off whilst cackling maniacally. I'm not kidding, this one time, half the sodding congregation joined in.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 10:30 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future.
And I would hear the exact same thing from hindus or muslims or jews or..... any religion in fact. wasn't going to mention something else unless religion was brought-up and that is the the miraculous events of christianity, and the unique character, claims, and credentials of Jesus Christ. the other religions can't do it.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 10:30 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And I would hear the exact same thing from hindus or muslims or jews or..... any religion in fact. wasn't going to mention something else unless religion was brought-up and that is the the miraculous events of christianity, and the unique character, claims, and credentials of Jesus Christ. the other religions can't do it.
Bullshit they can't. Here read this
http://hinduism.about.com/od/history/a/G...iracle.htm
That is a harder to dismiss miracle then any in Christianity
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
Snowy, what's your issue with an "appeal to the future," an acknowledgement of the idea that we don't know everything yet? Why are you so insistent that we all demand that we have all the answers to every question right now?
Quote:wasn't going to mention something else unless religion was brought-up and that is the the miraculous events of christianity, and the unique character, claims, and credentials of Jesus Christ. the other religions can't do it.
The credentials of Jesus? Would that be the same Jesus you can't even prove existed? 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm
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(December 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
Snowy, what's your issue with an "appeal to the future," an acknowledgement of the idea that we don't know everything yet? Why are you so insistent that we all demand that we have all the answers to every question right now?
actually, what was intended was that c. theism has an explanation that's doesn't require more discovery. to the 'we', there are no demands.
(December 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: No, the thinking is that you are trying to bolster your position by a fallacious appeal to authority and quote-mining.
ok, i'll take a 'yes' (stays) or 'no' (drop) poll thru dec 18. 2/3 'no' votes for a 'drop'.
not getting much responds to the signature, in fact the way things are going, one 'no' (don't want it) would drop it.
(December 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 10:30 pm)snowtracks Wrote: wasn't going to mention something else unless religion was brought-up and that is the the miraculous events of christianity, and the unique character, claims, and credentials of Jesus Christ. the other religions can't do it.
Bullshit they can't. Here read this
http://hinduism.about.com/od/history/a/G...iracle.htm
That is a harder to dismiss miracle then any in Christianity c. theism provides the best explanation collectively of the U., human beings, and Christ related (part of which is miraculous events).
the most miraculous event was the resurrection. in fact all of christianity would be exposed as a fraud if that event didn't take place. the apostle paul in fact said if that is not true our faith is in vain.
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