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August 14, 2014 at 10:47 am
(August 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote: by day 4, there were enough environmental changes to the bring about changes to the earth's atmosphere such as reduced volcanic activity, reduction in carbon dioxide and water vapor from plant grow. the atmosphere emerge from a translucent state to transparent. with the heavy overcast cloud cover now breaking up, the Sun, moon, stars became visible to creatures on the earth's surface. I see, so the genesis narrative is not factually accurate (color me shocked) - it requires interpretation in light of some other set of actual facts - that you possess, and the authors did not...and upon which point god felt no need for correction?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 14, 2014 at 2:48 pm
(August 14, 2014 at 10:47 am)Rhythm Wrote: I see, so the genesis narrative is not factually accurate (color me shocked) - it requires interpretation in light of some other set of actual facts - that you possess, and the authors did not...and upon which point god felt no need for correction?
I'm surprised too. Snowpeas, do you actually have any factual facts? Or is it interpretation all the way down?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 17, 2014 at 10:58 pm
(July 15, 2014 at 2:33 am)snowtracks Wrote: (July 15, 2014 at 2:03 am)Esquilax Wrote: I think we need to acquaint you with a couple things, like nuclear bombs or landslides, or grenades.  nuclear: E=MC^2 energy converted from matter at light squared results in an explosion. landslides - a popsicle stick slanted at a 45 degree angle in a sandbox would slide sand particle from the top to the bottom. even if 2 popsicle sticks were rigged together with sand sliding down, the cause would still be greater than the effect.
the cause always proceed the effect and is always greater than the effect....greater means in every quantitative measurement.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 18, 2014 at 8:49 am
(August 17, 2014 at 10:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (July 15, 2014 at 2:33 am)snowtracks Wrote: nuclear: E=MC^2 energy converted from matter at light squared results in an explosion. landslides - a popsicle stick slanted at a 45 degree angle in a sandbox would slide sand particle from the top to the bottom. even if 2 popsicle sticks were rigged together with sand sliding down, the cause would still be greater than the effect.
the cause always proceed the effect and is always greater than the effect....greater means in every quantitative measurement.
You have a net force (cause) which is equal to ma, that is mass x acceleration (effect), and these two are equal (Newton's law of motion).
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August 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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(August 18, 2014 at 8:49 am)little_monkey Wrote: (August 17, 2014 at 10:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: landslides - a popsicle stick slanted at a 45 degree angle in a sandbox would slide sand particle from the top to the bottom. even if 2 popsicle sticks were rigged together with sand sliding down, the cause would still be greater than the effect.
the cause always proceed the effect and is always greater than the effect....greater means in every quantitative measurement.
You have a net force (cause) which is equal to ma, that is mass x acceleration (effect), and these two are equal (Newton's law of motion). energy is not transferred with 100% efficiency during the cause/effect transaction due to entropy. that's why engine exhaust is hot, heat which is energy on the move hasn't been completely transferred to the effect.
(August 10, 2014 at 11:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'm not going to apologize for atheistic origin science. After all these years you certainly would have thought that we'd be just as confident in our knowledge of everything as all those young earth Christians. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with the few sure bits science has managed to conjure up. Can't blame those lucky fundamentalists who know everything just by virtue of their trust in a single book. If only we had the faith necessary to declare victory with so little effort. [/sarcasm] science and scripture are in agreement. But even without scripture God is revealed to each person via the natural world and his/her consciousness. Everyone has an innate knowledge that their life will exist beyond the grave. Scripture gives more details. for instances, everyone will stand before Christ, the moral ruler of the universe, to give an account of their life.
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August 18, 2014 at 11:09 pm
Would it be fair to reduce this all to a fantasy you have about being the lackey of an important person?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 19, 2014 at 1:31 am
(August 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (August 9, 2014 at 2:16 am)snowtracks Wrote: before genesis day 1, the frame of reference for the narrative is the earth's surface. Day 1 (epoch of time) starts with 'let there be light'. until then, the earth atmosphere zone was opaque due to the sun's disk of dust and other materials. after some time, gravity had pulled this material sufficiently together to form the earth which changed the earth's atmosphere zone to translucent allowing the sun light to reach the earth's surface.
Electromagnetic radiation was brought into the cosmos 13 billion years ago.
It's cute when biblical literalists try to talk cosmology. Sad, but cute. atheist, well let's rephrase that, at least atheist on this board really don't have anything to post that's relevant to their belief, and not even good at critiquing opposing viewpoints. you, especially have really fallen on hard times. here's atheist: "I'm smarter but me can't express how smart I am, but take my word for it, I'm really smart".
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 19, 2014 at 2:24 am
(August 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (August 18, 2014 at 8:49 am)little_monkey Wrote: You have a net force (cause) which is equal to ma, that is mass x acceleration (effect), and these two are equal (Newton's law of motion). energy is not transferred with 100% efficiency during the cause/effect transaction due to entropy. that's why engine exhaust is hot, heat which is energy on the move hasn't been completely transferred to the effect.
(August 10, 2014 at 11:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'm not going to apologize for atheistic origin science. After all these years you certainly would have thought that we'd be just as confident in our knowledge of everything as all those young earth Christians. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with the few sure bits science has managed to conjure up. Can't blame those lucky fundamentalists who know everything just by virtue of their trust in a single book. If only we had the faith necessary to declare victory with so little effort. [/sarcasm] science and scripture are in agreement. But even without scripture God is revealed to each person via the natural world and his/her consciousness. Everyone has an innate knowledge that their life will exist beyond the grave. Scripture gives more details. for instances, everyone will stand before Christ, the moral ruler of the universe, to give an account of their life. Work done = kinetic energy + heat loss.
We still have cause = effect
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August 19, 2014 at 2:47 am
(August 19, 2014 at 2:24 am)little_monkey Wrote: (August 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote: energy is not transferred with 100% efficiency during the cause/effect transaction due to entropy. that's why engine exhaust is hot, heat which is energy on the move hasn't been completely transferred to the effect.
science and scripture are in agreement. But even without scripture God is revealed to each person via the natural world and his/her consciousness. Everyone has an innate knowledge that their life will exist beyond the grave. Scripture gives more details. for instances, everyone will stand before Christ, the moral ruler of the universe, to give an account of their life. Work done = kinetic energy + heat loss.
We still have cause = effect heat was lost, no longer part of the equation.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 19, 2014 at 3:02 am
(August 19, 2014 at 1:31 am)snowtracks Wrote: (August 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's cute when biblical literalists try to talk cosmology. Sad, but cute. atheist, well let's rephrase that, at least atheist on this board really don't have anything to post that's relevant to their belief, and not even good at critiquing opposing viewpoints. you, especially have really fallen on hard times. here's atheist: "I'm smarter but me can't express how smart I am, but take my word for it, I'm really smart".
Hint: atheism doesn't entail any beliefs, though neither does it rule them out.
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